Potential GM Candidates

[DeluxeMoustache]

Too bad Feaster got such a long term with autonomy and no change in mandate and prompted this thread observing the necessity of his relief.

[Alberta_Beef]

Originally Posted by timbit

Agreed, however, he needs to figure out what position players play when on scouting excursions. Kinda important.

Like the management team didn't know Cervenka was a winger. If you are so naive to believe that they had no clue he was a winger then I have some magic beans to sell you.

Or should I say Feaster/Weisbrod already sold you magic beans because it was always pretty clear they were saying he was a center for no other reason than to keep the fans from losing their #### when the team let Jokinen walk.

It was no more than PR, fans want a center? Give them a center! Then afterwards give an excuse as to why he is suddenly a winger. They had a large portion of the posters on here buying those magic beans, so they got exactly what they wanted.

[Oling_Roachinen]

Originally Posted by Alberta_Beef

Like the management team didn't know Cervenka was a winger. If you are so naive to believe that they had no clue he was a winger then I have some magic beans to sell you.

Or should I say Feaster/Weisbrod already sold you magic beans because it was always pretty clear they were saying he was a center for no other reason than to keep the fans from losing their #### when the team let Jokinen walk.

It was no more than PR, fans want a center? Give them a center! Then afterwards give an excuse as to why he is suddenly a winger. They had a large portion of the posters on here buying those magic beans, so they got exactly what they wanted.

I don't know, but that always seemed a lot worse to me. I loved the guy his second time around here, I even chose my username based on him, but I wouldn't lose my #### if they didn't sign Jokinen regardless. I don't think anyone would. When Jokinen's asking for a multi-year contract at 34 for 4-5M who's going to fault Feaster for not caving in? And anyone who did would have had egg on their face after Jokinen's season with the Jets.

So instead they plan on tricking the couple people who would have cared about Jokinen into believing they are incompetent and can't even do their due diligence when handing out multi-million dollar contracts? Seems like confessing to a murder to avoid a shoplifting charge.

[Alberta_Beef]

Originally Posted by Oling_Roachinen

I don't know, but that always seemed a lot worse to me. I loved the guy his second time around here, I even chose my username based on him, but I wouldn't lose my #### if they didn't sign Jokinen regardless. I don't think anyone would. When Jokinen's asking for a multi-year contract at 34 for 4-5M who's going to fault Feaster for not caving in? And anyone who did would have had egg on their face after Jokinen's season with the Jets.

So instead they plan on tricking the couple people who would have cared about Jokinen into believing they are incompetent and can't even do their due diligence when handing out multi-million dollar contracts? Seems like confessing to a fake murder to avoid a shoplifting charge.

Except they never once stated Cervenka would be a center, they led people that direction but never outright said it. It was clearly lawyer speak from Feaster. Feaster does that with everything, why do you think he uses terms like "post-apex" or "intellectual honesty", its because they are ambiguous and it opens the door for multiple meanings, lawyer speak at it's finest.

I just think it's silly for Timbit to suggest Weisbrod had no idea Cervenka was a winger because Feaster pulled the wool over his eyes.

[Oling_Roachinen]

Originally Posted by Alberta_Beef

Except they never once stated Cervenka would be a center, they led people that direction but never outright said it. It was clearly lawyer speak from Feaster. Feaster does that with everything, why do you think he uses terms like "post-apex" or "intellectual honesty", its because they are ambiguous and it opens the door for multiple meanings, lawyer speak at it's finest.

I just think it's silly for Timbit to suggest Weisbrod had no idea Cervenka was a winger because Feaster pulled the wool over his eyes.

http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=394876
"Our scouts in Europe very early on in the season had identified Roman Cervenka as someone who they felt very strongly could come and play within in our top-six forwards, felt he was a player who could be a top-two line centre in the National Hockey League."

[Alberta_Beef]

Originally Posted by Oling_Roachinen

http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=394876
"Our scouts in Europe very early on in the season had identified Roman Cervenka as someone who they felt very strongly could come and play within in our top-six forwards, felt he was a player who could be a top-two line centre in the National Hockey League."

I know what was said. I argued about it until I was blue in the face when the signing took place. And like then the key word is still "could", meaning he might be able to be a center. The only difference between then and now is time proved me right.

But like I said Feaster led people in the direction of center, but never once said he WOULD be.

[Oling_Roachinen]

The entire thing is idiotic.

Either Feaster didn't know the position Cervenka would be playing in the NHL, in which case I want a new GM. Although, yes, I agree unlikely.

Or he thought it was a good idea to make people believe he thought he was getting a center when he knew he wasn't. In which case I think that's even worse. Either you're lying to your fans or you're hoping to come across as a moron.

The entire handling of the Cervenka situation has been enough for me to be perfectly happy to not see Feaster or Hartley as part of the Flames going forward, although I realize it's unlikely.

[Alberta_Beef]

Originally Posted by Oling_Roachinen

The entire thing is idiotic.

Either Feaster didn't know the position Cervenka would be playing in the NHL, in which case I want a new GM. Although, yes, I agree unlikely.

Or he thought it was a good idea to make people believe he thought he was getting a center when he knew he wasn't. In which case I think that's even worse. Either you're lying to your fans or you're hoping to come across as a moron.

The entire handling of the Cervenka situation has been enough for me to be perfectly happy to not see Feaster or Hartley as part of the Flames going forward, although I realize it's unlikely.

It's PR, every GM does it, they make new players sound better and more important than they are. What was he supposed to say? "Well we signed some guy from the Czech Snickers ads, he has a decent skill but will probably be mediocre for a year or two and we think in a few years he can be an NHL center even though he will be a UFA after this year and will likely sign with another organization."

And I'm not sure why you have an issue with Hartley, he played Cervenka as he deserved to be played, he was very clearly not reliable enough to be an NHL center.

[Oling_Roachinen]

Sure PR, I get it. But when you're saying that you got the best center not in the NHL coming over and he ends up being a bust and your season ends up being complete trash someone needs to take responsibility. Yes he was put in a tight spot where everyone but us homers knew the Flames were going to implode but he was also the guy sending picks away for Modin and made that terrible Butler-Regehr trade. I suppose should have been more specific and said the Cervenka situation was the final nail with Feaster for me to be perfectly happy when he's fired.

As for Hartley, Hudler and Cervenka had early chemistry when no one else did but that didn't stop him from benching Cervenka every chance he got. I remember when Cervenka was on the fourth line and Begin took a high sticking penalty so the entire line didn't see any time in the third. Benching a rookie adjusting to the NHL because his linemate took a penalty is not what we need from a coach going through this rebuild. Hartley was a great coach when Forsberg was his second line center, but he hasn't shown much since.

[Alberta_Beef]

Originally Posted by Oling_Roachinen

Sure PR, I get it. But when you're saying that you got the best center not in the NHL coming over and he ends up being a bust and your season ends up being complete trash someone needs to take responsibility. Yes he was put in a tight spot where everyone but us homers knew the Flames were going to implode but he was also the guy sending picks away for Modin and made that terrible Butler-Regehr trade. I suppose should have been more specific and said the Cervenka situation was the final nail with Feaster for me to be perfectly happy when he's fired.

As for Hartley, Hudler and Cervenka had early chemistry when no one else did but that didn't stop him from benching Cervenka every chance he got. I remember when Cervenka was on the fourth line and Begin took a high sticking penalty so the entire line didn't see any time in the third. Benching a rookie adjusting to the NHL because his linemate took a penalty is not what we need from a coach going through this rebuild. Hartley was a great coach when Forsberg was his second line center, but he hasn't shown much since.

Wow, overreact much? I don't know what you expected from Cervenka coming over but he dressed in all but 9 games (3 were before he joined the club) and played over 13 minutes per night. hardly being benched every chance possible. and how exactly was he a bust? over a 70 game season he would have put up 30+ points, which for a 1st year NHLer that is actually a pretty good season, even for the "best player not in the NHL".

But this isn't the place for a Cervenka debate, and I really don't have much else to say.

[Oling_Roachinen]

Originally Posted by Alberta_Beef

Wow, overreact much? I don't know what you expected from Cervenka coming over but he dressed in all but 9 games (3 were before he joined the club) and played over 13 minutes per night. hardly being benched every chance possible. and how exactly was he a bust? over a 70 game season he would have put up 30+ points, which for a 1st year NHLer that is actually a pretty good season, even for the "best player not in the NHL".

But this isn't the place for a Cervenka debate, and I really don't have much else to say.

30 points is easily a bust for a player being touted as a potential top 2 center, lawyer talk or not. And I don't think it was Cervenka's fault, playing 13 minutes a night often with Begin, Jackman and McGrattan while clenching your stick tightly because even looking the wrong way will get you benched isn't a recipe for success.

The Flames just came off their worst season. I think it's perfectly fair to think maybe not everything is sunshine and roses with the team management and coaching right now.

[Alberta_Beef]

Originally Posted by Oling_Roachinen

30 points is easily a bust for a player being touted as a potential top 2 center, lawyer talk or not. And I don't think it was Cervenka's fault, playing 13 minutes a night often with Begin, Jackman and McGrattan while clenching your stick tightly because even looking the wrong way will get you benched isn't a recipe for success.

The Flames just came off their worst season. I think it's perfectly fair to think maybe not everything is sunshine and roses with the team management and coaching right now.

if you think that is a bust then you never paid attention when every other "best player not in the NHL" came to the NHL. 30 points is actually pretty damn good in comparison.

[Oling_Roachinen]

Originally Posted by Alberta_Beef

if you think that is a bust then you never paid attention when every other "best player not in the NHL" came to the NHL. 30 points is actually pretty damn good in comparison.

As a potential top 2 line center, like Feaster called him, it's an absolute bust. I don't care where he came from. And again, I think it's more Hartley's coaching (didn't like him with Baertschi and even Brodie early on either) and Feaster's "lawyer talk" trying to hype him up.

It's pretty obvious that Feaster was relying on a center core, if we can even call it that, to pull out some miracle to save this season. They didn't, and at one point Comeau was the top line center...Someone needs to be responsible.

[calgARI]

To have a center core, I think you need to have centers.

[The Original FFIV]

Originally Posted by kyuss275

Is this list for the flames? If so, it is not going to happen, at least not this year. I think Feaster is incompetent, but even i realise he is not being fired this summer.

For now i have to hope i am dead wrong about Feaster and that he can do a good job going forward. This draft is going to be huge and he better not screw it up.

List was intended to be for other teams as it would appear that Feaster is safe for now. But when you look at how Vancouver crashed out and Gillis being there for 5 years and 2 consecutive first round exits after a cup run, might Acquilini pull the chute? What if Wash loses - McPhee has been around for some time and he has fired a few coaches. And 14 teams missed the playoffs, still could be some casualties there.

[DuffMan]

I looked for the thread about Feaster leaving and couldn't find it?

[Northendzone]

how about I.Ron (Keenan) or Ditka

[JayP]

Originally Posted by Alberta_Beef

It's PR, every GM does it, they make new players sound better and more important than they are. What was he supposed to say? "Well we signed some guy from the Czech Snickers ads, he has a decent skill but will probably be mediocre for a year or two and we think in a few years he can be an NHL center even though he will be a UFA after this year and will likely sign with another organization."

And I'm not sure why you have an issue with Hartley, he played Cervenka as he deserved to be played, he was very clearly not reliable enough to be an NHL center.

First of all, not every GM does it.

Second, it's pretty stupid PR to advertise the guy as a top 6 centre (something that even the most casual of fan knows we've lacked for years upon years) and then the guy doesn't end up playing any time there. Doesn't really endear yourself with the fanbase when you outright lie to them to get their hopes up. Which is exactly why it makes a lot more sense that it's a scouting f-up than just typical Feaster PR.

[DuffMan]

Where is Joe Niewendyk?

and why would people want a GM that has been let go after their team has crashed out of the playoffs? Isn't that a proven track record of failure? I don't understand peoples desires sometimes.

Let's get a GM who is a failure to replace our GM who is a failure like every other GM whose team failed to win the cup this year.

[Vulcan]

The thing is, if Feaster and co. knew Cervenka was really another LW, why did we sign him when we already had 7 or 8 and no spot left for our no.1 pick. That Cervenka wasn't a centre is just an example of the poor planning to put together a competitive team. They looked like a bunch of amateurs.