Two teenagers girls who went missing in 2003 and 2004 found alive

[Sliver]

Originally Posted by Devils'Advocate

I am actually deeply troubled by this story. The media keep saying that the three girls are healthy and doing well. I'm willing to bet they will never be healthy and doing well. I'm doubting that they were abducted to make sandwiches and clean the house.

I think Amanda showed great strength to keep looking for a way to escape after ten years of futility. Usually by then the abducted are beat down into submission.

Maybe I've watched too much "Criminal Minds", but sometimes I think death is more merciful than being tortured/violated every day for over a decade. I feel so incredibly bad for these poor girls and not even death would be severe enough punishment for the men that held them.

How about we let these girls decide if death is preferable to being saved. I'm sure they're aware suicide is an option.

When the media is saying they're healthy, I think that's a relative term here. It lets you know they weren't black and blue and malnourished. The mental trauma is likely to be severe, but again, that's obvious and not something that needs to be diagnosed two minutes into the positive side of this story, which is this part of their ordeal is finally over.

[Language]

I'm curious how they were able to be held captive for ten years without escaping before? Clearly it's happened before with the Duggard story and other instances, but reading the article it says two of the girls were 16 and 20 at the time of their capture. That would put them in their late teens and early thirties now, not exactly children.

Granted I am not taking into account the physical or pshychogical abuse they may have gone through (which I'm sure was a lot) that could have stopped them from trying to make an escape earlier.

Just seems odd that this happened when the captor finally left his house. Does this mean that there was always someone there watching them preventing them from trying to get away?

Regardless, pretty brave thing for this girl to finally cry out for help and get her and the others rescued and a pretty remarkable story all together. Not a funny matter at all but that neighbour's interview was pretty entertaining.

[First Lady]

Sources: 3 women raped, resulting in 5 pregnancies

How can there now be "sources" if people knew about this why didn't they say something sooner?

Also, if true - 5 pregnancies and only one living child that's pretty f'n sad.

[valo403]

Originally Posted by First Lady

Sources: 3 women raped, resulting in 5 pregnancies

How can there now be "sources" if people knew about this why didn't they say something sooner?

Also, if true - 5 pregnancies and only one living child that's pretty f'n sad.

Gotta actually read the articles.

The three women found safe Monday night in Cleveland were forced to have sex with their captors, resulting in up to five pregnancies, several police sources tell WKYC-TV, Cleveland

POLICE SOURCES. So this is information gained in interviewing the women after their rescue.

[Ozy_Flame]

Huh. Kidnapping and raping teenagers.

I just watched 8 episodes in a row of Locked Up. If I learned anything, they're going to get their ######s chopped off and become full time punching bags in prison. Jailbirds don't take too kindly to sexual offenders abusing minors.

[valo403]

Originally Posted by Language

I'm curious how they were able to be held captive for ten years without escaping before? Clearly it's happened before with the Duggard story and other instances, but reading the article it says two of the girls were 16 and 20 at the time of their capture. That would put them in their late teens and early thirties now, not exactly children.

Granted I am not taking into account the physical or pshychogical abuse they may have gone through (which I'm sure was a lot) that could have stopped them from trying to make an escape earlier.

Just seems odd that this happened when the captor finally left his house. Does this mean that there was always someone there watching them preventing them from trying to get away?

Regardless, pretty brave thing for this girl to finally cry out for help and get her and the others rescued and a pretty remarkable story all together. Not a funny matter at all but that neighbour's interview was pretty entertaining.

Yeah there are some interesting aspects to this story. They seemed to know quite a bit about their captors, knowing full names and the address of the house was surprising to me. There are some interesting dynamics at play in captive situations, I'm interested to see how they were held for so long in such close proximity to so many people without anyone suspecting anything. It seems impossible, but it happened.

[First Lady]

Originally Posted by valo403

Gotta actually read the articles.

POLICE SOURCES. So this is information gained in interviewing the women after their rescue.

Yeah, my bad. Skimming too fast.



Is just sickening.

[GreenLantern]

These guys are usually kept away from the general population in Canada, but how does it work in the states? Do they just throw them in to the general population?

Unless they plead some type of mental illness?

[valo403]

Originally Posted by GreenLantern

These guys are usually kept away from the general population in Canada, but how does it work in the states? Do they just throw them in to the general population?

Unless they plead some type of mental illness?

Unlikely that there is much difference between Canada and the US

[PsYcNeT]

Originally Posted by valo403

Unlikely that there is much difference between Canada and the US

It really depends on the prison.

The private prison system in the US can sometimes have their own rules and guidelines, not to mention state-autonomy means that rules can vary state to state.

[Kybosh]

I think a fitting punishment would be for them to be locked up in solitary but be periodically sexually violated with sticks.

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by GreenLantern

These guys are usually kept away from the general population in Canada, but how does it work in the states? Do they just throw them in to the general population?

Unless they plead some type of mental illness?

Its funny, but I got addicted to the series Lockup, and in the Federal prisons unless there is a direct threat the sexual offenders are locked up in General Population. When they talked to a couple on one episode from Marion they said their survival is based on being contrite about their crimes and not bragging about them to gain any kind of credibility.

But at a fed level because of prison crowding they just put them in the main population.

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by Kybosh

I think a fitting punishment would be for them to be locked up in solitary but be periodically sexually violated with sticks.

Other wise known as the Dahmer.treatment

[GreenLantern]

Amanda Berry reunited with her sister (left) at Cleveland hospital.

Guessing the little girl is her.. little girl. What a cute kid.

[valo403]

Originally Posted by PsYcNeT

It really depends on the prison.

The private prison system in the US can sometimes have their own rules and guidelines, not to mention state-autonomy means that rules can vary state to state.

True, but it's pretty unlikely that you would find a prison where everyone is simply thrown into general population. That's just asking for trouble, and trouble can be costly to deal with if you're a for profit prison.

Edit: Seems that might be the case in some prisons. Well I guess they just hose down the blood, so maybe not that costly.

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by valo403

True, but it's pretty unlikely that you would find a prison where everyone is simply thrown into general population. That's just asking for trouble, and trouble can be costly to deal with if you're a for profit prison.

American Prisons are more concerned with segregating gangs and keeping gang violence down .

I think normal sex crimes such as rape, those people aren't segregated.

The guys in the one lockout about sexual assault were convicted pedo's and they were in general population.

[Drake]

What a wonderful and awesome family... Ariel Castro's daughter was sentenced to 25 years for slashing her 11 month daughters throat back in 2008.

http://www.journalgazette.net/apps/p...327/1002/LOCAL

[Cowperson]

Originally Posted by Language

I'm curious how they were able to be held captive for ten years without escaping before? Clearly it's happened before with the Duggard story and other instances, but reading the article it says two of the girls were 16 and 20 at the time of their capture. That would put them in their late teens and early thirties now, not exactly children.

Granted I am not taking into account the physical or pshychogical abuse they may have gone through (which I'm sure was a lot) that could have stopped them from trying to make an escape earlier.

Just seems odd that this happened when the captor finally left his house. Does this mean that there was always someone there watching them preventing them from trying to get away?

Regardless, pretty brave thing for this girl to finally cry out for help and get her and the others rescued and a pretty remarkable story all together. Not a funny matter at all but that neighbour's interview was pretty entertaining.

In the famous Austrian case that was in headlines about 10 years ago, the victims were confined to a special basement construction for a decade or more.

The victims might have had empathy to each other so threatening one kept the others in line.

In this case, somehow, one seems to have found a way to make it to the front door - probably a first - and made a plea for help.

CNN is saying neighbours had heard screaming in the neighbourhood before but police couldn't narrow it down to a particular house.

A lady was just on CNN saying she'd seen a naked woman in the yard.

It will all come out eventually but it will be interesting to hear the details.

It will also be interesting to learn about the background of three brothers who ALL thought this was a good idea. What is in their family history that would lead to this place?

Cowperson

[wookster]

Don't know if its a legit account but...



I like this guy...lol.

[Minnie]

Originally Posted by Drake

What a wonderful and awesome family... Ariel Castro's daughter was sentenced to 25 years for slashing her 11 month daughters throat back in 2008.

http://www.journalgazette.net/apps/p...327/1002/LOCAL

Is this connected to this case? Not being snarky, just am not seeing the connection.