Bouma sits dows with King?

[IamNotKenKing]

Originally Posted by Phanuthier

I think you have to have at least laced up a pair of skates before you can evaluation skating. I think you have to have to at least tried throwing a hit and taking a hit before you can evaluate whether a player can physically play in the NHL / your team. I think you should have made a successful pass and been on the receiving end, and have tried actually reading live in a game before you can evaluate hockey sense. Etc etc etc.

At what level? Ken has done all of the above.

[CaramonLS]

Originally Posted by IamNotKenKing

At what level? Ken has done all of the above.

Since you've clearly indicated you have some behind the scenes knowledge about hockey ops in this city and KK in particular, come out and clear the air. What level of involvement does Ken have in Hockey Ops?

[Beatle17]

Originally Posted by FAN

I think one can become a hockey guy but you have to learn those skills along the way. I think part of what makes one a hockey guy is talent evaluation. It's hard to evaluate hockey talent when you haven't played the game because for one you don't know hockey fundamentals. Can talent evaluation skills be learned? Yes. Did King learn it? Doubtful. Did Feaster? A lot of us watched a lot of hockey games over the years too. Does that mean we are as good of a talent evaluator as Feaster? Sure Feaster is a good administrator and some say all he needs to do is to be a good delegator but does that mean I can be a GM, hire someone like Feaster to be the delegator, and then sit there making informed decisions because I'll be listening to everyone? Kind of ridiculous.


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Look up the names Sam Pollock, Bill Torrey and Jim Devallano. I guess they aren't "hockey guys" either.

[FAN]

Originally Posted by Beatle17

Look up the names Sam Pollock, Bill Torrey and Jim Devallano. I guess they aren't "hockey guys" either.

Look up the names Sam Pollock, Bill Torrey, and Jim Devellano and tell how they weren't "hockey guys" compared to Feaster. Feaster never played the game of hockey... at any level. An 6 year old kid probably spent more time playing organized hockey than Jay Feaster (maybe has since played some beer league hockey I don't know). The guy's hockey background was that of a hockey fan until he got lucky.

Pollock, Torrey, and Devellano grew up playing hockey. Torrey actually played college hockey. Pollock was an accomplished junior coach. Both Pollock and Devellano spent years as a scout. These guys learned the skills and proved themselves in their ability to evaluate talent.

[metroneck]

I think after 20 years working in pro hockey, how much you played before you were 21 is pretty irrelevant.

If you think Feaster is incompetent, it has nothing to do with that. Judge him on what he has done, not what he did not as a kid.

By your logic, Milbury and Snow should be flipping geniuses.

How did the greatest player ever fair as a coach or hockey exec?

[moon]

Originally Posted by metroneck

I think after 20 years working in pro hockey, how much you played before you were 21 is pretty irrelevant.

If you think Feaster is incompetent, it has nothing to do with that. Judge him on what he has done, not what he did not as a kid.

By your logic, Milbury and Snow should be flipping geniuses.

How did the greatest player ever fair as a coach or hockey exec?

How much time in his 20 years did he spend evaluating talent and how much time did he spend running the business in Hershey?

I am not asking as a smartass just wondering how much talent evaluation was involved in his time in Hershey as the President and possible GM. Did he have evaluate and project 18 year old kids? Did he have to watch film/games to make big trades? Did he have a role in determining rebuild, go for it, stay the course etc.?

It is great that he has 20 years in the business but if he spent 15 of those filling the seats and getting advertizers for Hershey and 5 of them as a crappy GM for Calgary and TB I am not sure the 20 years in hockey phrase should be tossed around all that much.

[nik-]

How about we just look at his tenure as a GM where he drove a cup winner into the ground, presided over horrible drafting, did poor trades and where he has done poorly in trades here and narrowly avoided two disasters in the O'Reilly fiasco and Richards.

"Hockey guy" is irrelevant, his GM history is not.

[Reign of Fire]

Very disappointed these guys are making the decisions this offseason, was hoping for changes in the management

[FAN]

Originally Posted by metroneck

I think after 20 years working in pro hockey, how much you played before you were 21 is pretty irrelevant.

If you think Feaster is incompetent, it has nothing to do with that. Judge him on what he has done, not what he did not as a kid.

By your logic, Ken King is qualified to be an NHL GM? He's spent enough years working in pro hockey didn't he?

[metroneck]

Nice try, but no. I am just saying that playing hockey as a kid has no bearing on a persons potential to learn the in's and out's of running a team. The smartest, most skilled surgeons didn't spend their choldhood cutting people open.

Feasters blunders point more to being a bad negotiator, and reader of legal documents than a hockey illiterate stooge. Please correct me if I'm wrong, but I think he has a piece of paper from a pretty fancy school that teaches you to be good at negotiating and reading contracts.

BTW, do you even know what Ken King does? He runs a large business. The majority of CEO's of large companies are not experts in the product the company produces. They are experts is the business of business.

[the2bears]

Originally Posted by LouCypher

Hopefully he doesn't have a sit down with the concessions stand workers, I don't think this forum would handle the fall out from that type of meddling.

I know. Why on earth would the concession workers be meddling in hockey operations?

[Perogy Man]

How does one "sit dows" exactly ?!

[Flame Of Liberty]

Originally Posted by Resolute 14

Where does winning the Stanley Cup fit into the equation?

Maybe ask Dudley's players who won Feaster his Cup before he proceeded to dismantle the team and drive it off the cliff?

[Resolute 14]

Originally Posted by Flame Of Liberty

Maybe ask Dudley's players who won Feaster his Cup before he proceeded to dismantle the team and drive it off the cliff?

Oh good. Now we can dismiss Brian Burke for the same reasons.

[moon]

Originally Posted by Resolute 14

Oh good. Now we can dismiss Brian Burke for the same reasons.

Why?

Brian Burke made big changes and brought in the two biggest pieces to the Ducks winning the Cup (Niedermayer/Pronger). Feaster brought in Ruslan Fedotenko.

The situations aren't anything alike.

[BigFlameDog]

Originally Posted by FAN

By your logic, Ken King is qualified to be an NHL GM? He's spent enough years working in pro hockey didn't he?

Wow...you twisted that one around like a pro.

[edslunch]

Way overblown. I meet with my senior VP at least once a year for informal discussion. It doesnt mean he's meddling. This is pretty normal business practice, probably more so when you're spending millions in these assets.

[Badgers Nose]

Originally Posted by looooob

http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/p...y.php?pid=6945



played with at least 3 former Flames draft picks at Harvard

was a teammate of Ray Whitney and Perry Berezan amonst others in his one proseason

This whole time we've had the big center we needed right under our nose!