Flames 2013 Draft Discussion

[handgroen]

Originally Posted by Flames Draft Watcher

Would people trade CGY 1st (6th overall) + PIT 1st (??? overall) for NSH 1st (4th overall)?

If they really feel MacKinnon and Barkov are the two elite centres of the draft then I'd say hey, lets do it.

Would NSH deal down 2 spots for an extra 1st rounder? It's certainly possible. I'd say that is a very tempting offer. They probably wouldn't do it if they have Barkov in an elite top four but I think there's some teams out there who don't have Barkov in the top grouping.

I have a friend who has been saying all along that he just hopes the flames get "their man"
there has been a lot of criticism recently directed at the flames management for going public with what looks like revisionist history. "jankowski will be looked at as the best player to come out of the draft." "we had galchenyuk at number 1" etc. however i tend to believe the galchenyuk thing, and if they can somehow snag the player who's 1 or 2 on their list by trading up, then they've gotta do it.
they may well have barkov above mackinnon, due to size or any number of reasons.
If the list has barkov all the way, and they can find a way to get "their man" i would hope they pull the trigger. This is such an important pick for this franchise, and now is not the time for shrinking violets.

[Flames Fan, Ph.D.]

Didn't know Barkov had that much size... Looks impressive.

But if we draft him, he can leave that golden helmet in Finland.

[Muffins]

Originally Posted by Flames Fan, Ph.D.

Didn't know Barkov had that much size... Looks impressive.

But if we draft him, he can leave that golden helmet in Finland.

Not his choice to wear it. The gold helmet is worn by the top scorer on the team in that league.

[JiriHrdina]

Originally Posted by Hesla

Could you imagine the meltdown here if Barkov is available at 6 and they take someone else.

Even better - they trade down and then take someone else.

[PlayfulGenius]

Originally Posted by Flames Draft Watcher

Would people trade CGY 1st (6th overall) + PIT 1st (??? overall) for NSH 1st (4th overall)?

If they really feel MacKinnon and Barkov are the two elite centres of the draft then I'd say hey, lets do it.

Would NSH deal down 2 spots for an extra 1st rounder? It's certainly possible. I'd say that is a very tempting offer. They probably wouldn't do it if they have Barkov in an elite top four but I think there's some teams out there who don't have Barkov in the top grouping.

Personally, if I were Feaster, I'd have a hard time making this deal as it would mean that little winning streak cost a 1st round pick. I'm not suggesting its the right way to look at things, just that's where my mind would go.

[Hair bleach and Vodka]

Originally Posted by Hesla

Could you imagine the meltdown here if Barkov is available at 6 and they take someone else.

Originally Posted by JiriHrdina

Even better - they trade down and then take someone else.

Oooh boy, I don't even wanna imagine that scenario.

[Street Pharmacist]

Originally Posted by JiriHrdina

Even better - they trade down and then take someone else.

Petan at 4

[ClubFlames]

Originally Posted by Street Pharmacist

Petan at 4

Or local Calgary boy Hunter Shinkaruk.

[Walter Reed]

Many here seem very enthused at the possibility of the Flames drafting Barkov. I guess my question is if you were GM, what is the most you would offer to Nashville for that number four selection should Barkov be available @ 4?

[kmart]

Originally Posted by Hair bleach and Vodka

Oooh boy, I don't even wanna imagine that scenario.

The pick will be legendary

[bucksmasher]

Originally Posted by albertGQ

THN has Barkov at #6.
Canes or Preds may prefer Lindholm or a defenseman so Barkov can move down. I don't think he will but there are always surprises on draft day

I'm claiming there is no way after the top 4 are chosen that Mac, Drouin, Barkov or Jones is left. Based on nothing more than hype.

[Street Pharmacist]

Originally Posted by Walter Reed

Many here seem very enthused at the possibility of the Flames drafting Barkov. I guess my question is if you were GM, what is the most you would offer to Nashville for that number four selection should Barkov be available @ 4?

Moon and Walter Reed plus the St Louis pick

[bucksmasher]

Originally Posted by _Q_

If the Pittsburgh pick plus our own first gets us #4, does the St. Louis pick plus #4 get us into #2?

If so, does Feaster do that? I think he should honestly. Having a guy like McKinnon to build around would be incredible.

I disagree. Pit pick is almost a 2nd rounder. Plus other teams have more attractive players that could be better bait to teams like Nashvilee than any of our picks. Nashville and Shea Weber want score now players like Eberle, Yakapov, or Brakov, Mac, Drouin. The St. Loius pick could be a high one to if they keep winning.

[Muta]

Originally Posted by Walter Reed

Many here seem very enthused at the possibility of the Flames drafting Barkov. I guess my question is if you were GM, what is the most you would offer to Nashville for that number four selection should Barkov be available @ 4?

#4 pick and their 2014 2nd rounder for #6 pick and Pittburgh's 2013 1st.

Nashville might even bite, consdering they have no 2nd or 3rd this year and have been rumoured to be interested in Lindholm to play with Forsberg.

[GGG]

The St Louis Pick and Pittsburgh pick have almost the same value. The difference between 23 and 29 or less is marginal if you look at historical probability of getting an impact player. So I am not concerned which of the two picks we would give up in a trade to move up.

I do waffle back and fourth between moving up to get Barkov or whoever the 4th elite player is in the draft vs taking all 3 of our picks. I think if you really believe that you will get an elite guy (a ppg player) then you have to give up one pick to do it. But you look at 2003 and there are a lot of players it would be nice to have an extra pick to take.

[Saqe]

Originally Posted by bucksmasher

I'm claiming there is no way after the top 4 are chosen that Mac, Drouin, Barkov or Jones is left. Based on nothing more than hype.

Based on my biased view I agree 100%.

Even if there is a team in the top 4 that would value someone like Lindholm highly, I don´t see how anyone would drop Barkov out of #4 spot and say that he shouldn´t be that high. He could as well be #2. Unless someone doesn´t go by BPA rule of couse and drafts for a specific need.

[PlayfulGenius]

Originally Posted by Walter Reed

Many here seem very enthused at the possibility of the Flames drafting Barkov. I guess my question is if you were GM, what is the most you would offer to Nashville for that number four selection should Barkov be available @ 4?

I'd love to see it happen without involving the 6th pick, ideally. Even if it meant moving both later round picks and a roster player, while covering some salary in the case of someone like Cammi

[Wolven]

Originally Posted by Walter Reed

Many here seem very enthused at the possibility of the Flames drafting Barkov. I guess my question is if you were GM, what is the most you would offer to Nashville for that number four selection should Barkov be available @ 4?

I wouldn't offer very much at all. I am not convinced that the gap between Barkov and Lindholm and Monahan is big enough to give up another 1st rounder in this year's draft.

Also, I could see Nashville wanting out of the scenario of drafting a European after their recent experience with Radulov and Kostitsyn. I could definitely seem them as being one of the more guarded teams in this year's draft.

I know people are saying the Preds could go for Lindholm to match him up with Forsberg but I could also see them going with a Canadian boy just to be safe and not invest so heavily in European players.

Either way, I think people are seriously overvaluing the cost of trading up. The gap between the top 4 and the next 4 really does not feel like it should cost a 1st round pick, much less two 1st round picks and a prospect/player.

[The Fonz]

My maximum offer would be our 6th + whichever of the STL/PIT picks is worse.

Ideally it'd be our 6th + a 2nd round, but we don't have one, nor do I believe NSH would bite.

[Flames_F.T.W]

I read somewhere that Barkov's skating isn't all that great??