His goal celebrations are so subdued compared to MacKinnon and Drouin. It's also funny to see a 17 year old in a league where most players are between 25-35 and he is physically better than most.
Nice pass by Neiminen at 1:51 too.
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Given that Feaster says we have 4 guys in the elite grouping at the top of the draft I think Barkov is the guy they like along with Jones, MacKinnon and Drouin. Given they see a bit of a dropoff after the #4 guy I think its fair to think that they'll look at the option of dealing up to take Barkov.
All it takes is for Nashville to not have Barkov in their top group. They might see it as an elite 3 and then another 3-4 or so guys they like fairly similarly. If that's the case perhaps they would move down 2 spots. Or perhaps Nashville takes someone they like better than Barkov (Lindholm or Nurse?) At that point Carolina may not mind dealing down 1 slot unless they are really big on Barkov or they may just pick Nichushkin instead.
I dunno there's some scenarios where we could end up with him, not sure how probable they are. NSH would have to not mind dealing down or end up taking Nurse/Lindholm/Monahan. If that happened and CAR took Nichushkin or dealt down we could land him. We have to hope that NSH/CAR have some strange draft lists and Barkov not in their top 4-5.
Unfortunately with one less win and we would have had him at #4. Two less wins and we would have had MacKinnon.
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I find it ridiculous that Barkov is only 17 right now. That video reminded me why I wanted the Flames to grab him all the way back before the WJC. I would seriously sell the farm to get that player.
Barkov... perhaps I was hasty in saying I would rather keep both our late first round picks not to long ago. As long as it doesn't cost more than we can afford to give up trading up to 4 might not be such a bad idea.
Not often you see a 17 year old that physically dominating in a mens league.
Would people trade CGY 1st (6th overall) + PIT 1st (??? overall) for NSH 1st (4th overall)?
If they really feel MacKinnon and Barkov are the two elite centres of the draft then I'd say hey, lets do it.
Would NSH deal down 2 spots for an extra 1st rounder? It's certainly possible. I'd say that is a very tempting offer. They probably wouldn't do it if they have Barkov in an elite top four but I think there's some teams out there who don't have Barkov in the top grouping.
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Would people trade CGY 1st (6th overall) + PIT 1st (??? overall) for NSH 1st (4th overall)?
If they really feel MacKinnon and Barkov are the two elite centres of the draft then I'd say hey, lets do it.
Would NSH deal down 2 spots for an extra 1st rounder? It's certainly possible. I'd say that is a very tempting offer. They probably wouldn't do it if they have Barkov in an elite top four but I think there's some teams out there who don't have Barkov in the top grouping.
I'd do it with either extra pick. Even add one of the fifths if Nashville was in Asset acquisition mode. Or the third rounder. Just get Barkov lol.
If by chance we move up to tampa's pick and mackinnon is there and or barkov falls, those could be best case scenario, but i think the event that we stay put we go this way. The picks need to be kept. We have a chance to change our prospect pool's depth in a serious way and need to have 'em count. I think with the 6th we should stay put and draft Monohan. He's an Eric Stall type at 6. At the STL pick, go LA, we should try to target Lazar, Horvat, maybe Nichushkin if he falls, Domi. For the Pitt pick, I think we should try to take a defender like Santini from the USNDP. I like his size, simple game, defensive style, right handed shot.
I really think Max Domi, will become a better version of Marchand that could be a top line winger and, or, a second line center. His skills are so tantalizing, and he is quite stout. 5'9 195 lbs. I think he could be John Gaudreau but with oomph.
FGauthier could be intriguing with our Pitt pick. He moves well for a big man and plays the game with enthusiasm unlike Mantha. Plus he could bring some needed size to our prospect pool in C spot. I believe he plays better next year after his disappointing return from injury.
Perhaps if we trade a player or two, we could finagle another 1st or the assets to get another top 10 pick. I think if we could get both Mono and Nurse we'd be in real good shape. Both bring size and potential for top line play at their respective positions. Last player we had like that was 'neuf.
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Would people trade CGY 1st (6th overall) + PIT 1st (??? overall) for NSH 1st (4th overall)?
If they really feel MacKinnon and Barkov are the two elite centres of the draft then I'd say hey, lets do it.
Would NSH deal down 2 spots for an extra 1st rounder? It's certainly possible. I'd say that is a very tempting offer. They probably wouldn't do it if they have Barkov in an elite top four but I think there's some teams out there who don't have Barkov in the top grouping.
moving from 6 to 4 isn't worth a 1st round pick (and there is a very real chance that we would get the same player anyway)
I would be willing to give up next year's 2nd though, to ensure we got our guy
Obviously disagree on giving up a 1st to move from 6th to 4th but we have gone over that before.
Why do you keep saying there is a very real chance the guy we want is there anyways?
It seems pretty doubtful Barkov drops one spot and very unlikely he drops 2. That is unless you believe that Barkov is not the guy the Flames want. Or perhpas I am misunderstanding what you mean by very real chance.
Obviously disagree on giving up a 1st to move from 6th to 4th but we have gone over that before.
Why do you keep saying there is a very real chance the guy we want is there anyways?
It seems pretty doubtful Barkov drops one spot and very unlikely he drops 2. That is unless you believe that Barkov is not the guy the Flames want. Or perhpas I am misunderstanding what you mean by very real chance.
THN has Barkov at #6.
Canes or Preds may prefer Lindholm or a defenseman so Barkov can move down. I don't think he will but there are always surprises on draft day
THN has Barkov at #6.
Canes or Preds may prefer Lindholm or a defenseman so Barkov can move down. I don't think he will but there are always surprises on draft day
Agreed - I don't think it's unreasonable to think that someone drops - someone always drops.
Lindholm, Monahan, The Russian and Nurse are all guys that could move up into the top 4 possibly. I can even see Drouin dropping a bit.
Just takes one team to go the "supposed list" .
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Agreed - I don't think it's unreasonable to think that someone drops - someone always drops.
Lindholm, Monahan, The Russian and Nurse are all guys that could move up into the top 4 possibly. I can even see Drouin dropping a bit.
Just takes one team to go the "supposed list" .
One can only hope that is the case. I don't see any chance of Druin falling into the Flames lap but Barkov would make for a very satisfying Friday evening for Flames fans.
Obviously disagree on giving up a 1st to move from 6th to 4th but we have gone over that before.
Why do you keep saying there is a very real chance the guy we want is there anyways?
It seems pretty doubtful Barkov drops one spot and very unlikely he drops 2. That is unless you believe that Barkov is not the guy the Flames want. Or perhpas I am misunderstanding what you mean by very real chance.
I was referring to Barkov
Other people have already answered but, while he is consensus #4, that doesn't mean that every team has him as their 4th choice. I have seen him at 6th on one list and 7th on another. I have seen him 1st among Europeans, as well as 2nd.
At the end of the day, all of that is irrelevant. The only thing that matters is who Nashville decides to pick at #4 and who Carolina likes at #5.
There is no guarantee that those two teams agree with the consensus order, as they have their own opinions and their own organizational needs.
If the Pittsburgh pick plus our own first gets us #4, does the St. Louis pick plus #4 get us into #2?
If so, does Feaster do that? I think he should honestly. Having a guy like McKinnon to build around would be incredible.
The St.Louis pick might not be as good as posters think. They were great down the stretch and played playoff style hockey while doing it. Will not surprise me to see them in the conference finals or maybe even the Stanley cup finals.
