Poll: "Do you believe in the current mgmt group"

[FlamesAddiction]

The ROR offer was terrible even before the waiver hullabaloo. I honestly don't think Feaster has the rope to go out and make a decision like that unilaterally. It would not surprise me if the owner were the proponent of it. Still, it is Feaster's job to know the rules and to do due diligence, but at the same time, it's fair to say that most GMs were in the dark (except for Gillis of course).

[Zulu29]

Originally Posted by JiriHrdina

What were his specific words? Did he really guarantee or is that just your interpretation?

He's guaranteed we'd make the playoffs two years in a row now. This year he said it while on the sportsnet hockey central panel.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by JiriHrdina

"We'll make the playoffs this year," he said.

Pretty much a guarantee.

Wasn't trying to dispute that it didn't happen - I honestly couldn't remember if he said it or if had been interpreted that way.

And for the record I agree saying stuff like that is dumb.

Yeah it's dumb because you can't take it back and if you don't live up to it you lose credibility. Being bold and brash only flies if you can back it up. I like Jay Feaster the person. I really do. I wouldn't have any issues with him doing Kings job as say president but IMO he's just in over his head as NHL GM. I know he won a cup but he basically took over the team Rick Dudley built and rode it to a cup and a lot of the decisions he made after were awful like letting Khabibulin leave and not adequately replacing him, poor drafting, poor trades, terrible contracts, etc. If your GM is only as good as the guys he's surrounding himself with then he probably shouldn't be a GM.

[afc wimbledon]

Originally Posted by MolsonInBothHands

Moon, come on. You dont see why the real rebuild could NOT start for 2.5 years? Really?

I for the life of me can't see why the rebuild could t happen 2 or 3 years ago. A rebuild is more then just trading Iginla, the deals made to support Iginla were contrary to a rebuild, maybe Iggy refuses to go (although the fact he has left know tends to refute that) more likely if Feaster tells Iggy the team is rebuilding and we'd like to trade you I think it is likely he agrees to a move

[kyuss275]

Originally Posted by FlameZilla

I cannot really believe Feaster still has this job... On one hand I suppose we're already in such a mess that we may as well let him apply the final brush-strokes; on the other hand we could fire Feaster in the offseason & hire a very competent GM who has a history of dramatically reshaping NHL franchises through bold trades.

It's not that I really dislike Feaster, but I believe there are better options available outside the organisation (Burke) or within (Weisbrod).

The only thing i can think of for letting Feaster stay on is that Flames ownership is doing its due dilligence on Weisbrod. He has only been AGM for a year and a half, but seems to have a plan when it comes to drafting. Ownership might be waiting to see if his drafting plan works out in the next year or 2. No point in replacing Feaster now if they think Weisbrod will be the man in 2 years. I'm not entirely sold on my theory, but its all i can come up with.

[moon]

I know this has been asked before with little or no real answers other than he just seems good, but is there a reason so many want Weisbrod/see him as a good option as a GM?

[mustache ride]

Why does Weisbrod have a fan club? Because you guys like his draft picks that have accumulated 40 games and 7 goals? I'm not saying that this is a poor result after 2 drafts, but it's sure not a home run either. Are there other fan bases in sports anointing scouts to start running organizations?

[Hustle]

Originally Posted by mustache ride

Why does Weisbrod have a fan club? Because you guys like his draft picks that have accumulated 40 games and 7 goals? I'm not saying that this is a poor result after 2 drafts, but it's sure not a home run either. Are there other fan bases in sports anointing scouts to start running organizations?

I'm guessing it's because the guy had a significant hand in the building of what's become a very strong program in Boston.

Still too early to judge how successful his vision is going to be but I like that he's priortizing hockey IQ. It's just my opinion but I personally like listening to the guy speak about how he thinks the game should be played and how it jives with management philosophy.

That said, Weisbrod and Feaster have a lot to prove given where we are at right now. I like what they've generally done when it comes to the draft but the current roster is a mess.

[kyuss275]

Originally Posted by Hustle

I'm guessing it's because the guy had a significant hand in the building of what's become a very strong program in Boston.

Still too early to judge how successful his vision is going to be but I like that he's priortizing hockey IQ. It's just my opinion but I personally like listening to the guy speak about how he thinks the game should be played and how it jives with management philosophy.

That said, Weisbrod and Feaster have a lot to prove given where we are at right now. I like what they've generally done when it comes to the draft but the current roster is a mess.

I would also add that he has a hockey background. I personally do not think he is ready and the flames have to wait to see if his drafting is as good as it seems. I believe he was lead scout when it came to Cervenka, and i think he dropped the ball.

When B Sutter left, Weisbrod seemed to be the only person he gave any glowing feed back for.

I would perfer that Weisbrod was learning from a more competent GM.

[the_only_turek_fan]

Originally Posted by kyuss275

I would perfer that Weisbrod was learning from a more competent GM.

I honestly think that John Weisbrod is running the hockey part of hockey operations and Feaster deals with more of the business side of hockey ops.

I believe that Weisbrod is really the guy running the show.

[kyuss275]

Originally Posted by the_only_turek_fan

I honestly think that John Weisbrod is running the hockey part of hockey operations and Feaster deals with more of the business side of hockey ops.

I believe that Weisbrod is really the guy running the show.

If Weisbrod is the guy running the show, then he should be shown the door also.

I don't think he is running the show. I think he runs the drafting and adds input to other deals.

[the_only_turek_fan]

Originally Posted by kyuss275

If Weisbrod is the guy running the show, then he should be shown the door also.

I don't think he is running the show. I think he runs the drafting and adds input to other deals.

I disagree. I really do believe that Feaster is a really smart guy, but does not know anything about hockey.

Weisbrod, IMO has become his right hand man and has a bigger role in making hockey operations decisions than people think.

[FAN]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

Yeah it's dumb because you can't take it back and if you don't live up to it you lose credibility. Being bold and brash only flies if you can back it up. I like Jay Feaster the person. I really do. I wouldn't have any issues with him doing Kings job as say president but IMO he's just in over his head as NHL GM. I know he won a cup but he basically took over the team Rick Dudley built and rode it to a cup and a lot of the decisions he made after were awful like letting Khabibulin leave and not adequately replacing him, poor drafting, poor trades, terrible contracts, etc. If your GM is only as good as the guys he's surrounding himself with then he probably shouldn't be a GM.

Yep. Feaster managed the Lightning into the ground.

[FAN]

Originally Posted by kyuss275

If Weisbrod is the guy running the show, then he should be shown the door also.

I don't think he is running the show. I think he runs the drafting and adds input to other deals.

Weisbrod is certainly not running the show, but like Turek Fan said, he is Feaster's right hand man. Feaster relies on Weisbrod to make recommendations and suggestions and Weisbrod certainly does make recommendations. Recommendations such as trading the team's 1st round pick or keeping the pick to draft Jankowski.

[moon]

Originally Posted by Hustle

I'm guessing it's because the guy had a significant hand in the building of what's become a very strong program in Boston.

No he didn't.

Most of the guys were picked before he got there and even when there he wasn't asst GM or head scout he was head of college scouting so tough say how much he did even with the few guys they added.

He may have been a bigger part than his title suggested but hard to see how he was a significant part in building that team based on the outside optics.

[kyuss275]

Originally Posted by moon

No he didn't.

Most of the guys were picked before he got there and even when there he wasn't asst GM or head scout he was head of college scouting so tough say how much he did even with the few guys they added.

He may have been a bigger part than his title suggested but hard to see how he was a significant part in building that team based on the outside optics.

Before going to the NBA i think he was head scout for the Devils.

Before being promoted head of college scouting for the Bruins i think he was a pro scout for the team.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by moon

I know this has been asked before with little or no real answers other than he just seems good, but is there a reason so many want Weisbrod/see him as a good option as a GM?

I'm on the fence with him. He was has GM experience even if it's in the NBA and was involved in talent evaluation for the Bruins which is a good feather to have in your cap but yeah he's kind of an unknown at this point. It sounds like he played a big role in drafting Jankowski that right now looks only so-so. He talks a good game though. Every time I hear him intervewed he comes off as impressive but does he have the walk to back up the talk? That isn't known. I hate to close the door on new minds because they are unproven as every great GM was unproven before they got their chance so if he was annointed GM I would be okay with it but if say Burke took over and canned him I wouldn't bat an eyelash.

[Hustle]

Originally Posted by moon

He may have been a bigger part than his title suggested but hard to see how he was a significant part in building that team based on the outside optics.

I'm not going to sit here and pretend like I know exactly how things operated in Boston's front office. I do remember an interview with Jim Benning when Weisrod was hired in Calgary saying that Weisbrod was helping to drive that bus (along with Benning) and that Calgary got a great guy to supplement their management team.... but who knows if that was just Benning being complimentary to a former colleague.

At the end of the day, maybe i'm drinking the kool-aid but i do think the guy is a good hockey mind based on what he's said and the early stage development of some of the guys coming in the pipeline. That said, what these guys built on the NHL roster this year was horribly misconstructed so who knows.

[moon]

Originally Posted by Hustle

I'm not going to sit here and pretend like I know exactly how things operated in Boston's front office. I do remember an interview with Jim Benning when Weisrod was hired in Calgary saying that Weisbrod was helping to drive that bus (along with Benning) and that Calgary got a great guy to supplement their management team.... but who knows if that was just Benning being complimentary to a former colleague.

At the end of the day, maybe i'm drinking the kool-aid but i do think the guy is a good hockey mind based on what he's said and the early stage development of some of the guys coming in the pipeline. That said, what these guys built on the NHL roster this year was horribly misconstructed so who knows.

Its possible but Lucic, Marchand, Krecji, Bergeron were all drafted before Weisbrod got there. Chara and Thomas signed before he got there. That seems to be the foundation of the Boston team and the drafted guys seem to be the biggest pro's that most people have in terms of talking about the Boston success.

It is possible that Weisbrod did something to help develop them and that he had a role in bringing in secondary guys like Horton and Ryder but it does seem like most of the work in building that Bruins team was done before he even arrived there so tough to give him a ton of credit.

I think the Benning comments were both him complimenting a former colleague and him believing Weisbrod is a smart guy.

[mykalberta]

I like Feaster

I like King if he takes care of the money side of things and not the hockey side of things.