"Flames GM Feaster Has Options Open Heading Into Off-Season" As per TSN

[Walter Reed]

Originally Posted by Bend it like Bourgeois

Disagree. The oilers went into at least 2 seasons trying to lose.

Please provide evidence substantiating this statement.
If that were true, would they have fired their GM for failing to improve the team ....?

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by Walter Reed

Please provide evidence substantiating this statement.

just look at the rosters they iced the year after they drafted Hall and the year after they drafted Nugent-Hopkins.

If a roster were to ever "talk", those rosters would be screaming "lose". Those rosters are the closest things you'll ever see to a team publicly stating "we're tanking".

[TheGrimm]

I still find it funny that Feaster himself stated back in 2011 that they should be looking for a new GM here in Calgary if they decide to rebuild...

And here we are...

One thing I think we have all learned with him is that he's an emotional hot head and you really can't take anything he says at face value. It's not that I blame him even, I think he's been forced to adjust his game plan a couple of times now in the past couple of years.

[Street Pharmacist]

Originally Posted by Walter Reed

Please provide evidence substantiating this statement.

Statistically speaking, it seems dubious to be that bad for the consecutive years. I'm not sayin', I'm just sayin'

[FanIn80]

Originally Posted by Ark2

If Francis is saying what he is saying based on inside information, why would it matter what Feaster said in any interview?

I'm saying he doesn't have any inside info. I'm saying he just heard the same interview everyone else heard, and is pulling an "Eric Francis" with it.

[DuffMan]

Can someone post a link to a Feaster quote where he actually mentions the words Edmonton or Oilers while badmouthing them.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by joe_mullen

Feaster can talk all he wants about not tanking for the next few years, truth is, this team will be absolutely awful for the next few years. Due to his own incompetence, Feaster has ensured the rebuild will be a long process.

I don't disagree but I am interested to see what moves they make this summer to improve the team. I am not so sure the flames are ever going to bottom out Oilers style but I don't expect them to make playoffs anytime soon

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by TheGrimm

I still find it funny that Feaster himself stated back in 2011 that they should be looking for a new GM here in Calgary if they decide to rebuild...

And here we are...

One thing I think we have all learned with him is that he's an emotional hot head and you really can't take anything he says at face value. It's not that I blame him even, I think he's been forced to adjust his game plan a couple of times now in the past couple of years.

I agree it is a huge reason I want Feaster gone. He throws around crap like "if they want a GM to tear this team to the ground they can find someone else" and the famous "intellectual honesty" and then trade our top forward and D for picks and admit on the radio he was not intellectually honest. He has not accomplished his goals and should lose his job for it

[dammage79]

Ugh, two seasons as GM without any really damaging moves and his head must roll! It's Feasters fault the re-build was started three to five years too late. It's Feasters fault that King let Sutter bog down the cap and roster with terrible contracts and NTC's. It's Feasters fault that ownership HAD to get Iggy into the playoffs but the players themselves couldn't be bothered putting in a consistent effort for the two years under Feasters tenure.

The Richards attempt was exactly what ownerships mandate dicated he must do. Hindsight it was good he chose NYR.

The RoR fiasco also falls under the same affect.

Wideman and Hudler are still good signings because they did exactly what they wanted them to do. Add skill on the forward ranks and add an extra dimension to the PP on the back end.

How can anyone manage a team effectively when his hands have been tied for the first two years? He's done what he can with the operating room he was given.

As for his media stuff. Whatever, I've enjoyed his banter for the most part. The worst one for me by a mile was the guarantee that they would make the playoffs last season.

Anyways, Feasters apparent incompetence stems directly from the stubborness of those who operate above him. I commend Feaster at the very least for clearing up the mess Sutter left. Now this off season will show the true mettle Feaster and his team have. this will be the make or break for him. Not anything he did or attempted previously.

[Alberta_Beef]

Originally Posted by Ark2

If Francis is saying what he is saying based on inside information, why would it matter what Feaster said in any interview?

The only inside information Francis gets is from the voices in his head.

Originally Posted by TheGrimm

I still find it funny that Feaster himself stated back in 2011 that they should be looking for a new GM here in Calgary if they decide to rebuild...

And here we are...

I believe that Feaster said he wanted no part of a scorched earth rebuild.

[oldschoolcalgary]

I think the question is whether there is meddling from the ownership, or whether the Richards and ROR offers come from Feaster himself.

None of us are in the room, so either scenario has the chance to be "right"

That said, people have stated that Feaster quit TB on principle; that he disagreed with the direction given by the new ownership. If that is true, why is he such a yes man here? Maybe these moves were Feaster's and not ownership at all?

If ownership is truly meddling, I don't see why they would stop now and let Feaster execute his "rock solid plan" with no input...

Btw, funniest line in that article:

"We are a small team," he conceded. "We are a team that is not always as hard to play against as we need to be and that's a function of getting the right personnel."

Tell us Jay, who makes personnel decisions in the first place?

[moon]

Originally Posted by DuffMan

Can someone post a link to a Feaster quote where he actually mentions the words Edmonton or Oilers while badmouthing them.

It was from the end of year or season ticketholder speech last year where he went off on his BS walking in desert garbage. Not sure if he mentioned the Oilers specifically but certainly made some stupid comments about "the guys up North."

It wasn't very difficult to see who it was he was referring to when making those comments that pretty much describe the Flames right now and during the time he has been GM.

[Roof-Daddy]

I think the only "meddling" ownership has been doing over the last few years is putting forth the mandate to "Make the playoffs and attempt to win a Stanley Cup with Jarome Iginla".

It might not have been the right thing to do in regards to asset management, but I can understand it.

In the end they failed at it, the final year of Iggy's contract finally arrived with the team out of the playoff hunt, and Jarome and the organization decided to move on from each other.

Finally the page has turned and the rebuild can begin, even if it's late in happening.

[thymebalm]

Whatever the relationship between our ownership and president and general manager actually is, my guess would be that at least 19 other GMs are operating under a similar structure.

Remember that Darryl was able to make moves that were OBVIOUSLY Darryl Sutter moves. Why is it that we aren't able to label the actions under Feaster as obviously Feaster moves? Darryl never had this cloud of anonymity of who pulled the trigger when a signing was made or a trade happened. Darryl drew that plan up with straw in his barn alone.

Now every time Feaster makes a move its like Oh Weisbrod was behind it, or oh that was Edwards meddling or That was a King mistake. Jay Feaster is a wizard. He's a warlock who's cast himself in a deflective shroud of mystery. Every time you try to point the finger at him, it lands on someone else.

[moon]

Originally Posted by dammage79

Ugh, two seasons as GM without any really damaging moves and his head must roll! It's Feasters fault the re-build was started three to five years too late.

No damaging moves? This team should have started a rebuild two years ago and he was the GM holding on to this team. The damage from not moving guys when he should have could have this rebuild go for another 5-6 years.

It certainly is his fault the re-build was started too late.

It's Feasters fault that King let Sutter bog down the cap and roster with terrible contracts and NTC's.

The terrible contracts and NTC's have continued since he has come on.

It's Feasters fault that ownership HAD to get Iggy into the playoffs but the players themselves couldn't be bothered putting in a consistent effort for the two years under Feasters tenure.

No proof of that and Feaster himself said that there was no demand from ownership and he was on board with keeping Iginla here.

His responsibility to get a coach to motivate players not an outcast from Europe that was garbage the last time in the league without a stacked roster from another coach/GM.

The Richards attempt was exactly what ownerships mandate dicated he must do. Hindsight it was good he chose NYR.

The RoR fiasco also falls under the same affect.

Again Feaster has repeatedly said nothing to do with ownership and he was doing what he wanted. Not sure why you continue to bring up ownership to defend him when Feaster himself has said it isn't true.

Wideman and Hudler are still good signings because they did exactly what they wanted them to do. Add skill on the forward ranks and add an extra dimension to the PP on the back end.

They are terrible signings now and awful going forward. This team did not need two overpaid, average/below average older players to come in and help the team finish bottom 6. They needed younger guys on good contracts to help with a rebuilding roster.

How can anyone manage a team effectively when his hands have been tied for the first two years? He's done what he can with the operating room he was given.

Again proof of this? Feaster himself has said it isn't the case.

As for his media stuff. Whatever, I've enjoyed his banter for the most part. The worst one for me by a mile was the guarantee that they would make the playoffs last season.

His media stuff includes saying he isn't a GM for a rebuild (well what are we in now?), he won't be here next year talking about missing the play-offs (whoops!), stupid comments about Edmonton wandering in the desert (exactly what the Flames have done since he took over), Fool him once (looks like about 5 or 6 times he needed to be fooled), get ready for a busy day at trade deadline (sign jackman!!).

It also included numerous statements about ownership not meddling and Feaster being 100% all moves team makes, direction of no rebuild, mandate to make play-offs.

Even if we say that the BS ownership meddling is true you either have Feaster showing repeatedly that he is an incompetent hockey GM making bad move after bad move and misjudging the roster or he is so weak willed that he is willing to go against what he thinks is right and let non-hockey makes decisions to affect his appearance as a GM. Either choice seems like a pretty terrible guy to having running your hockey team.

Anyways, Feasters apparent incompetence stems directly from the stubborness of those who operate above him. I commend Feaster at the very least for clearing up the mess Sutter left. Now this off season will show the true mettle Feaster and his team have. this will be the make or break for him. Not anything he did or attempted previously.

Feasters incompetence stems directly from terrible decisions he has made both here (and previously as an awful GM in TB). It isn't ownerships fault, it isn't Sutter's fault it is his fault.

Feaster has had 2.5 seasons to show his mettle and it has been awful. He himself said he isn't a GM for a rebuild and that he misjudged this team. There is zero reason based on his words and actions to think that he is anywhere close to a decent choice, let alone good or great choice, to continue on as GM in this crucial time for the future of the team.

[Cleveland Steam Whistle]

Originally Posted by DuffMan

Can someone post a link to a Feaster quote where he actually mentions the words Edmonton or Oilers while badmouthing them.

You've been following this team since at least 2004 based on your join date, do you really need someone to go find you the pre season interview he gave at a season ticket holder event before 2011 / 2012 season where he specifically ripped the Oilers, do you seriously not remember that?

[PaperBagger'14]

Originally Posted by thymebalm

Whatever the relationship between our ownership and president and general manager actually is, my guess would be that at least 19 other GMs are operating under a similar structure.

Remember that Darryl was able to make moves that were OBVIOUSLY Darryl Sutter moves. Why is it that we aren't able to label the actions under Feaster as obviously Feaster moves? Darryl never had this cloud of anonymity of who pulled the trigger when a signing was made or a trade happened. Darryl drew that plan up with straw in his barn alone.

Now every time Feaster makes a move its like Oh Weisbrod was behind it, or oh that was Edwards meddling or That was a King mistake. Jay Feaster is a wizard. He's a warlock who's cast himself in a deflective shroud of mystery. Every time you try to point the finger at him, it lands on someone else.

[Ark2]

Originally Posted by FanIn80

I'm saying he doesn't have any inside info. I'm saying he just heard the same interview everyone else heard, and is pulling an "Eric Francis" with it.

So basically, you are doing exactly what you are accusing him of doing. Nice.

[Mr.Coffee]

Originally Posted by DuffMan

Just so I have this straight, You're all upset he said this...



?

So he's saying he wants to be competitive right away, and you all get upset?


Wow.

Um, well I don't want to speak for other people but no, I'm not "upset" at all. Not even close. In fact this barely hits the Mr.Coffee-care-o-meter, but I just was commenting that in my opinion it's unprofessional, unbecoming of a GM, etc.

See this post by me, page 2:

Originally Posted by Mr.Coffee

haha I honestly don't hate Feaster, in fact I'm pretty indifferent overall to him. And I certainly wouldn't hate him over something like this, I just think it's arrogant, unnecessary and unbecoming of a GM.

There's no reason for it and it serves no purpose, and like I said take care of your own backyard before pissing in others (if you feel the need to) is sort of my point. He just needs to worry about his job and that's not playing critic of the Oilers.

So yeah, I guess based on the quote you reference, I think it's arrogant, but I'm not upset about it.

[Bend it like Bourgeois]

Originally Posted by Walter Reed

Please provide evidence substantiating this statement.
If that were true, would they have fired their GM for failing to improve the team ....?

K last post on this because I know it is OT, but c'mon man.

In 08/09 the oilers were awful. Crap defensively. Crap goaltending. Leading goal scorer was a defenceman.

So what did they do? Signed mike Comrie and his 10 goals, and arguably the only guy more washed up than roloson - khabibulin. Oh and parted ways with brodziak and kotalik.

09/10 was predictably awful. Top scorer was pancakes penner. Still crap defensively. Still crap goaltending.

So what did they do? Signed kurtis foster. Sent souray to the minors. Signed....dubnyk?

10/11 was again as awful as planned. Top scorer was a 20 year old with 40 or so points. Still crap defensively. Still crap goaltending. traded penner.

So what did they do with he cap space and blooming wealth of prospects? Shored up the forward ranks and scoring with Eric Belanger and his 12 goals. And added cam barker to the wealth of all star d men.

11/12. Still crap.

Maybe you can argue in 11/12 they thought the young guys would be Crosby / Malkin good. That would have been stupid but it is as least plausible.

In 3 years they brought in no one, acquired no one of note, did not change the core a bit, and never even tried to find a goalie.

No one is that incompetent that long without trying.