I don't think Lazar or Domi will be available with the Flames 2nd pick. I have no idea how the Flames are valuing players after their first pick but I would consider trading the Blues and Pengiuns pick for say the the 12th pick and go for Domi who could turn out to be as good as any of the players in the top 10.
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For the guys wanting Zadorov, he's a project as most big d-men are. He'll need a few years of seasoning as this was his first year of North American hockey.
He is still prone to big gaffe's where he looks uninterested. Personally, I just think it's the size factor. Remember what Chara was like when he first came to the NHL. Guys this big take time.
For as big as he is, he gets pounded pretty much every time he drops the gloves, probably something else he'll need to work on.
Also, Bo Horvat, C, 6' 198lbs is likely to fill out and may even grow an inch or two still. Gonna be a good one.
I would be very happy if we managed to acquire Josh Morrissey. He's a great skater, offensively talented, and extremely smart.
Wideman replacement and hometown kid? I wouldn't mind. Other than that I don't really know much about the late round players, so I don't have a preference. My ideal move would be package to move up, but if they take a decent D prospect and perhaps a winger, I'm pretty happy.
Don't know much about some of the draft eligible players but that Swedish D Robert Hagg looks intriguing. Maybe another Erik Karlsson who was drafted 15th overall in 2008 Draft or Nik Lidstrom, another Swedish who was drafted 53rd overall in 1989 Draft. It seems that NHL been getting some diamond in a rough defenseman from Sweden lately. Minnesota also have a rookie Swedish defenseman this season by the name Jonas Brodin 10th overall in 2011.
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I don't think Lazar or Domi will be available with the Flames 2nd pick. I have no idea how the Flames are valuing players after their first pick but I would consider trading the Blues and Pengiuns pick for say the the 12th pick and go for Domi who could turn out to be as good as any of the players in the top 10.
I know it's not fair and he's played great, but I'm not sure I can ever reconcile drafting a player who was spawned from his troglodyte father.
I know it's not fair and he's played great, but I'm not sure I can ever reconcile drafting a player who was spawned from his troglodyte father.
I didn't like his dad (mostly because he was a Leaf) but I always credited him for being a hard working guy that got the most out of his talents. I believe that's a strong point in itself for drafting Max. If he has the same mindset as his father combined with more skill he should be a hell of a hockey player.
One player that could drop is Artturi Lehkonen (5´10, 163), listed at 18th in Button´s list. He probably will drop due to his size but has put up really impressive numbers in FEL and if flying a bit under the radar because of Barkov´s performance. Lehkonen would be a project that would take couple of years to build up his physique but he is pretty gritty and competitive and makes up for his size. Would be a good pick up with the PIT or even STL pick.
There's so many interesting guys that someone good will fall to us if we don't move up.
In fact because of the depth this year I think there's a good chance the Flames might land a guy they have top 15 at 22 or wherever the Blues pick ends up. This is the type of draft where a player a team has ranked top 10 may fall to them in the late teens, a player they have top 15 may fall to the 20's, etc. I expect a lot of teams saying, "We couldn't believe this guy was available here" and have them fully mean it.
This is really evidenced by what scouts have told Bob Mackenzie.
So besides those players another 9 received top 10 votes including
Domi (multiple top 10 votes)
Lazar (multiple top 10 votes)
Wennberg
De La Rose
Burakowsky
Horvat
Mueller
Pulock
Mantha
Obviously the difference of opinion is quite large when you're talking about 20 different
players getting top 10 votes from different scouts. And this is why you see teams say that they got a top 10 ranked guy in the late teens. It happens even though I know some posters are skeptical and think when GM's say this they are just saying it for PR. They actually aren't saying it for PR and it just happens that there is usually no consensus in the draft outside the top 4-8 or so.
There's gonna be some great picks in the mid-late first it looks like. A lot of teams are going to be very happy someone they liked quite a lot fell to them.
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I would just like to add to your post that, while fans tend to think in consensus (Lindholm is 5/6 on consensus lists, therefore that is where he will go), GMs are not picking by consensus. They have their own list and only their list matters.
So, for instance, it only takes one GM to think that Pulock is a top 10 pick for Pulock to be taken in the top 10.
As for Barkov, it doesn't matter that he is consensus #4, the only thing that matters is who Nashville likes when they make their #4 pick.
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Don't know much about some of the draft eligible players but that Swedish D Robert Hagg looks intriguing. Maybe another Erik Karlsson who was drafted 15th overall in 2008 Draft or Nik Lidstrom, another Swedish who was drafted 53rd overall in 1989 Draft. It seems that NHL been getting some diamond in a rough defenseman from Sweden lately. Minnesota also have a rookie Swedish defenseman this season by the name Jonas Brodin 10th overall in 2011.
I have issues with a Hagg pick as I believe he does not use his size and relies more on stick-checking and his long reach to make defensive plays. I think of 6’4" Bouwmeester who couldn't throw an effective bodycheck if his life depended on it.
I like Compher, Morrissey, Zykov, Theodore & Gauthier for the late picks. If we could package one of the picks with a roster player to move into the Pulock range I would be very happy. A 1st round of Monahan/Lindholm at 6, Pulock/Ristolainen with an upgraded St Louis pick, and Compher/Morrissey at 29 would be exceptional.
I would just like to add to your post that, while fans tend to think in consensus (Lindholm is 5/6 on consensus lists, therefore that is where he will go), GMs are not picking by consensus. They have their own list and only their list matters.
So, for instance, it only takes one GM to think that Pulock is a top 10 pick for Pulock to be taken in the top 10.
As for Barkov, it doesn't matter that he is consensus #4, the only thing that matters is who Nashville likes when they make their #4 pick.
I have a massive man-crush on Pulock.
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For the guys wanting Zadorov, he's a project as most big d-men are. He'll need a few years of seasoning as this was his first year of North American hockey.
He is still prone to big gaffe's where he looks uninterested. Personally, I just think it's the size factor. Remember what Chara was like when he first came to the NHL. Guys this big take time.
For as big as he is, he gets pounded pretty much every time he drops the gloves, probably something else he'll need to work on.
Also, Bo Horvat, C, 6' 198lbs is likely to fill out and may even grow an inch or two still. Gonna be a good one.
From a few days ago, huge hit by Zardorov and then he fights Heard (who has had 10 fights in the AHL and a lot of fights in junior) and wins the fight. So he has probably been working on getting tougher. A project pick but there are a lot of things to like about Zadorov and I see Philly grabbing him at #11
Yeah... Zadarov could potentially turn into a decent fighter. He got whipped at the beginning of the year where it was clear he had no idea what he was doing and dropped the gloves with some good fighters. They told him to settle down with the fighting and he has had 2 since them (both in the last playoff series).
That guy he smoked to start that fight was a 1st round pick of the Capitals last year as well... so not a scrub.
I don't think Lazar or Domi will be available with the Flames 2nd pick. I have no idea how the Flames are valuing players after their first pick but I would consider trading the Blues and Pengiuns pick for say the the 12th pick and go for Domi who could turn out to be as good as any of the players in the top 10.
Agreed, he's 5'10" but a damn tank already at 195 lbs.
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I have seen alot of discussion on our 1st pick, but not much on the other 2 picks we have in the first round. After looking at a few mock drafts, it looks like there will be some really good options available late in the draft. Some of the players these writers have us taking:
22nd overall (via St Louis)
Robert Hagg, D, Modo Jr. (SWE-JR.) - Talented blueliner opened eyes with strong WJC for Sweden, and play stayed strong all season Zach Fucale, G, Halifax (QMJHL) - touted as the best goalie in this draft class Joshua Morrissey, D, Prince Albert (WHL) - Calgary native has lots of offensive upside
29th overall (via Pittsburgh)
Curtis Lazar, C/RW, Edmonton (WHL) - Finished the season strong; led the Oil Kings in goals with 38 Samuel Morin, D, Rimouski (QMJHL) - The 6-6.25, 202-pounder rose 53 slots to No. 23 in Central Scouting's final rankings; long reach and good 1-on-1 player Eric Comrie, G, Tri-City (WHL) - Hip surgery shortened season, but talent level remains high; should be ready for start of next season Kerby Rychel, C, Windsor (OHL) - Kerby Rychel was extremely productive last season in the OHL and possess tremendous playmaking ability.
Interesting, Josh Morrissey sounds like another TJ Brodie. This article describes him as an "exceptional skater", with "superb creativity"
Josh Morrissey
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So I just picked up THN draft preview and read it a bit. So I've narrowed my preference down to five players that I want with the Blues & Pens pick. I've been a big beleiver of Petan for awhile, but he didn't crack my top five list.
Anyone think one or both of these players will be available with our two late first rounders?
1. Max Domi
2. Bo Horvat
3. Kerby Rychel
4. Hunter SHinkaruk
5. Anthony Mantha
So I just picked up THN draft preview and read it a bit. So I've narrowed my preference down to five players that I want with the Blues & Pens pick. I've been a big beleiver of Petan for awhile, but he didn't crack my top five list.
Anyone think one or both of these players will be available with our two late first rounders?
1. Max Domi
2. Bo Horvat
3. Kerby Rychel
4. Hunter SHinkaruk
5. Anthony Mantha
