Flames 2013 Draft Discussion

[JiriHrdina]

Originally Posted by Clever_Iggy

KHL development isn't AHL or North American development, IMO. It adds a layer of risk that isn't worth taking considering other available players. If it was a weak draft, maybe.

Taking him puts you in position to draft possibly two franchise players instead of just one.

BOGO!

[the_only_turek_fan]

Originally Posted by JiriHrdina

The Russian is a potential x-factor. The Flames can take advantage of the Russian factor to pick a guy below the slot he deserves on talent alone (assuming he falls).
It's the same way Wash got Kuznentzov, St. Louis got Tarasenko and NYR got Cherpanov (RIP).

The Flames need to make some game changing moves. They don't have enough assets in the organization to take a conservative approach.

The way I see it is the Flames don't have enough assets so they must take the conservative approach.

If I had a ton of assets, I would be more willing to take a risk with one of the firsts.

[Clever_Iggy]

Originally Posted by JiriHrdina

Taking him puts you in position to draft possibly two franchise players instead of just one.

BOGO!

Haha. Somehow I think the Flames will have that opportunity regardless of who they draft this year.

[Table 5]

Originally Posted by JiriHrdina

Taking him puts you in position to draft possibly two franchise players instead of just one.

I'd take that chance at 20, but I'd still pass at 10. There are still many good options at that pick to have to take a huge risk like that. This is just too deep of a draft to risk taking a Russian who may not play here for years, may be a demanding prima-donna when he gets here, and may bolt for a bigger market as soon as he can.

I don't think we're at the stage where we can take huge risks in the Top 10 in a draft like this. Perhaps if we had more depth.

[handgroen]

a post lottery mock draft but buckle up it's a bleacher report slide show

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1...nd-predictions

has the flames taking
29. J.T. Compher

Biggest Strengths: J.T. Compher loves to have the puck on his stick and make things happen. He tends to hold onto the puck in the offensive zone until the defense commits, and when they do he has the vision to find the open man.
Projected Role: Compher is a guy who can slide in and play on any line. He showed off his versatility while playing with the U.S. WJC18 team, where he put up seven points in seven games en route to a gold medal.
He has a nice finishing touch as well and is capable of snapping off deceptively quick shots.
Why He's the Pick: The Calgary Flames need rock-steady performers throughout their lineup and in the farm system. The rebuild is officially on now, and a safe pick like Compher toward the end of the first round would be another great addition to the system.

25. Kerby Rychel

Biggest Strengths: A highly skilled player, Kerby Rychel posted 87 points in 68 for the Windsor Spitfires of the OHL. Forty of those points were goals, so this is a forward who knows how to finish plays as well as he can set them up.
Rychel has a nasty streak as well and is a beast in the faceoff circle.
Projected Role: It's never a good idea to call a prospect a can't-miss guy, but Rychel at the very least projects as an outstanding third-line role player at the NHL level. Forwards like this don't always get all the press, but they are the glue that holds teams together.
His nastiness, scoring touch and faceoff prowess make him a valuable, movable asset.
Why He's the Pick: This is another safe and sturdy selection for the Calgary Flames. Rychel is the kind of player they need to add to the lineup. He brings a competitive spirit and edge to the ice every night and could eventually be a good player for the Flames for a long time.

6.Elias Lindholm

Biggest Strengths: Elias Lindholm embodies the best of what Swedish-trained hockey players offer. He's incredibly creative, shifty, works hard in all three zones and never gives up on a play. Scouts who are bullish on him compare him to countryman Henrik Zetterberg.
That's a tall bill to fill, but you get the point.
Projected Role: Lindholm has top-line center written all over him. He knows when to play aggressive, knows when to scale it back and backchecks hard on every play. He'll be a guy who teams can trust to shut down the opposition's top line while still creating scoring chances.
Why He's the Pick: Unless the Calgary Flames are looking to make another Mark Jankowski-esque "who in hockey god's name is that?" selection, there's no way they could leave the enticing package that Lindholm presents on the board.
The team has always had an issue at center, and it could take a large stride in fixing that issue by selecting a true top-10 player with its top-10 pick.

[Phaneuf_Rules]

IMO there are just too many good players in the bottom 15 to trade our picks just to move up. There seems to be so much young size and talent. My best case scenario is us keeping all three picks.

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Originally Posted by handgroen

a post lottery mock draft but buckle up it's a bleacher report slide show

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1...nd-predictions

has the flames taking
29. J.T. Compher
25. Kerby Rychel
6.Elias Lindholm

^ I'd be happy with those draft results. Granted I think the STL pick ends up higher than 25, so that one may change, but even then Rychel's a decent prospect to grab.

[Parallex]

Originally Posted by Table 5

I'd take that chance at 20

I don't think he'd get past Columbas, even if you preceive him as "risky" they've got multiple 1st rounders and as a current bubble team probably wouldn't object to a more longterm prospect.

If he shows well at the combine I think Carolina might take him... they're really weak on the wing and have Semin/Tlusty so probably no bias against Russians/Eastern Europeans.

[handgroen]

no idea who this site(sportscity) is, but here's yet another mock draft
http://www.sportscity.com/nhl/mock-d...hl-mock-draft/
an older mock from cbs sports
http://www.cbssports.com/nhl/blog/ey...nthers-at-no-1

[albertGQ]

I hope the Canes take either Lindholm or Monahan. We'll just take the one they don't pick

That is a much better alternative than us taking the one we want and then the Oilers get the other one.

I want the Oilers to take the Russian or Nurse. I don't want to see them with Lindholm or Monahan

[Tinordi]

Originally Posted by JiriHrdina

I don't mind the fact he's over there - that means you get him on his entry deal as a better player. Plus the Flames are going to suck for at least 2 years.

Exactly, I'm having a hard time contemplating why people want a player that is NHL ready or that can play next year. The window opens 3-5 years out, get used to more losing hockey next season folks.

[Robbob]

I am really wanting STL to bow out in the first round with the teams below them making it to the conference finals. The closer that pick is to 20 the easier it will be to move up to the teens.

Last year it cost a second to move from 21 to 14. I wonder if we could use next years 2nd to move up 5 or so spots.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by JiriHrdina

No I think that's overpayment. Gio is one of the few leaders this team has. He is part of the solution.

I would add something to the St. Louis 1st to get #7. But I don't know what the Flames have that would be attractive.

How about St. Louis 1st+Broissot+Bill Arnold.

Beats me.

I was thinking about Brossoit last night. I would think that the Oilers would have a fair bit of interest in him.

I think your proposal is a good one. Maybe upgrade Arnold with Bouma or something

[albertGQ]

Originally Posted by Robbob

I am really wanting STL to bow out in the first round with the teams below them making it to the conference finals. The closer that pick is to 20 the easier it will be to move up to the teens.

Last year it cost a second to move from 21 to 14. I wonder if we could use next years 2nd to move up 5 or so spots.

We actually moved from 14 to 21

[albertGQ]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

I was thinking about Brossoit last night. I would think that the Oilers would have a fair bit of interest in him.

I think your proposal is a good one. Maybe upgrade Arnold with Bouma or something

If the Oilers want Brousset, I hope they have just as much luck as we did with Krahn

[Rutuu]

Originally Posted by albertGQ

I hope the Canes take either Lindholm or Monahan. We'll just take the one they don't pick

That is a much better alternative than us taking the one we want and then the Oilers get the other one.

I want the Oilers to take the Russian or Nurse. I don't want to see them with Lindholm or Monahan

You know that Nurse has the same dimensions and better stats than Shay Weber did in his entry draft year right? You want the Oiler's to pick a small winger or a big crappy skater...you don't want them taking a guy like Nurse that could haunt us for years.

[albertGQ]

Originally Posted by Tinordi

Exactly, I'm having a hard time contemplating why people want a player that is NHL ready or that can play next year. The window opens 3-5 years out, get used to more losing hockey next season folks.

I agree. I wouldn't take the Russian because I think there's a chance he pulls a Radulov. If you can guarantee me that he comes in two years, then I'd pick him (probably not at 6 though, but at 10 if that's where we picked).

I'd prefer it of Monahan or Lindholm don't make the Flames next year.

It never hurts to play another year in juniors or in Europe. But you can ruin a prospect if you rush him to the NHL

[dammage79]

Originally Posted by albertGQ

I agree. I wouldn't take the Russian because I think there's a chance he pulls a Radulov. If you can guarantee me that he comes in two years, then I'd pick him (probably not at 6 though, but at 10 if that's where we picked).

I'd prefer it of Monahan or Lindholm don't make the Flames next year.

It never hurts to play another year in juniors or in Europe. But you can ruin a prospect if you rush him to the NHL

I don't expect them to rush the guys they pick but thats what the prospect camp is for. Horak shone through the one two years ago and made the team. If they pick Lindholm and he does the same it is safe to bet he makes the team or goes to the AHL to develop and get accustom the the North American game. Monahan cannot go to Abby so it would be back to Junior with him. Nichushkin the risk is if they have to send him down for whatever reason he will go straight back to Russia and finish off his contract. I feel he can play here next season but the real question is, is he ready to?

[Kaine]

With the talent that appears to be present in the draft towards the end of the first round this year (crap shoot aside) I am not one of those on board to ship the two picks off unless it gets us a top 12 or better pick, and I can't really see any team with one of those picks wanting to make that trade.

While they aren't at the same level as the top 10 or so picks this year, quite a bit of talent to be had all the way through the first round.

[The Yen Man]

Yeah, the more I think about it, the more I just want the Flames to keep their other two first rounders and use them unless we're talking about 8-12 range pick.