Depends what you mean by high end. There have been a lot of 1st round picks that have busted but lately there have been so few top 10 picks especially forwards from Sweden that you are right it looks like the few have turned out, although too early to say on Zibindejad (sp?).
MPS is probably the closest to a high end bust but he was 10th so not sure he qualifies for what you are talking about.
IMO, I don't think MPS is a bust at all. He was projected to be a first/second line guy on the Oilers before the likes of Taylor Hall/Ryan Nugent-Hopkins and Yakupov came along.
If the oilers hadn't tanked or sucked those years and went got a middle draft pick, he would have been used differently. From a guy who know was known to score goals and be that potential first line player to a defensive forward who now plays on third line, what a drop off, eh..... Edmonton does not know how to utilize it's players.
I have trouble seeing Monahan making it to 6th, so I took Lindholm.
I can't see that Russian wild card going over Monahan at 5..
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IMO, I don't think MPS is a bust at all. He was projected to be a first/second line guy on the Oilers before the likes of Taylor Hall/Ryan Nugent-Hopkins and Yakupov came along.
If the oilers hadn't tanked or sucked those years and went got a middle draft pick, he would have been used differently. From a who know was known to score goals and be that potential first line player to a defensive forward who now plays on third line... Edmonton does not know how to utilize it's players.
A 10th overall pick that is only in the league because he plays on the worst team in the league seems like a bust.
He has zero offensive instincts and no ability to finish. If lucky he turns out into a serviceable 3rd line guy but he looks bound for the SEL if he keeps up his current play and the Oilers ever get some talent/he is traded to a real team.
A 10th overall pick that is only in the league because he plays on the worst team in the league seems like a bust.
He has zero offensive instincts and no ability to finish. If lucky he turns out into a serviceable 3rd line guy but he looks bound for the SEL if he keeps up his current play and the Oilers ever get some talent/he is traded to a real team.
Yeah, if can turn into a servicable 3rd line guy, he would most likely be the first to get traded. That being said, I wish he was in a Flames Uniform. My favorite player on the Oilers.
So according to this poll no matter which of the two are chosen, about half of Calpuck will fly into a rage on draft day. Assuming of course that at no.6 both are available.
So according to this poll no matter which of the two are chosen, about half of Calpuck will fly into a rage on draft day. Assuming of course that at no.6 both are available.
Should be a fun time!
My guess is if there was an option for "fine with either guy" that would be leading and likely with more than 50% of the vote.
I am fine with either guy and wouldn't be upset at all but went with Monahan because that is how the poll is set up.
What may lead to a blow-up is if either one (or worse both) are there and they go with someone else.
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So according to this poll no matter which of the two are chosen, about half of Calpuck will fly into a rage on draft day. Assuming of course that at no.6 both are available.
Should be a fun time!
I'll get popcorn.
Should be as interesting as CP after the Flames took Reinhart over Kabanov.
So according to this poll no matter which of the two are chosen, about half of Calpuck will fly into a rage on draft day. Assuming of course that at no.6 both are available.
Should be a fun time!
I can't speak for other people, but I voted for my preference, but I wouldn't be upset if it was the other. They're ranked pretty similar, so I'd be happy either way. Now if they took Nichukshin, that's a different matter. I would expect a full CP meltdown then.
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For those talking about the nationality having some correlation with grit/softness factor, if you've seen enough footage of Lindholm, you'll see that he can obviously hit, and hit well. He doesn't appear to be your prototypical soft swede seeing the kid crunching guys in a mens league and at U20s.
My question is can this club really afford to sacrifice that little extra offensive ceiling on such a monumental pick for the organization? We need elite talent. Unquestionably, 1st line center-worthy elite. I don't know much about Monahan, but I know Backlund is already turning into a solid 3 zone center for us. When it comes to a 1st line center, we should focus on the one with the highest offensive ceiling available to us. Cause we can't afford for him to turn into anything less that a top line talent. Not implying anything about Monahan, for all we know he could be another Toews. But when we start talking about sacrificing offensive ceiling with our highest pick in 15 years, that's where I'd be really cautious.
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For everyone raving about Monahans play without the puck, Lindholm is definitely no slouch. Looks to have an incredible work ethic and high hockey IQ (from this video) the best clips from this video are in fact his work without the puck - in all 3 zones.
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I am hoping a few quality players drop down to the 10-12 range and those are the types of teams that are msot likely willing to trade their 1st round pick or trade down to get some short term help to make the playoffs.
For example the Blues 1st round pick plus a guy like Giordano/Cammalleri might be enough for the Flames to move up in the draft with teams like Philly. All depends though whose left to draft at that point.
My question is can this club really afford to sacrifice that little extra offensive ceiling on such a monumental pick for the organization? We need elite talent.
i would say the idea that drafting Monahan has us giving up offensive ceiling has as much to do with nationality generalizations you were talking about as Lindholm being soft.
I don't think that it is necessarily true that there is any less offensive ceiling for Monahan than Lindholm.
