Our 6th Overall Pick: Elias Lindholm or Sean Monahan?

[Tinordi]

Who was the last high end Swedish prospect to bust or not achieve expectations?

[edslunch]

Originally Posted by Beatle17

I was just checking out the young prospects and noticed that Jankowski is only 2 weeks older than Monahan and 2.5 months older than Lindholm. So either one could be good and they would be coming into their own at the same time as Jankowski. Seems that guys with later birthdays stand out in their draft years (Seth Jones is a late 94 also).

Just found this interesting, not trying to compare anyones ability.

In hindsight I don't like the Jankowski pick from the perspective that he's a year or more behind either of these guys. If the Flames had gone with a safer pick they would have a still very good player who might be ready to play in the next year or so. I'm hopeful for Jankowski I'm just not sure he's what the flames needed timing wise

[Dime_On_Flames]

Wow 12 pages later and still no poll? It's harder to get a poll on here then getting a credit card!

[Ashasx]

Originally Posted by Tinordi

Who was the last high end Swedish prospect to bust or not achieve expectations?

I'd say Larsson and Hedman are failing to meet expectations, but they are defencemen.

Swedish forwards seem to be pretty safe.

[Muffins]

In a perfect world, Nashville takes Nichushkin and Carolina Takes Nurse/Ristolainen.

Then we don't even have to worry about this decision as Barkov falls into our lap.

Dare to dream!

[Makarov]

It is virtually certain that there will be two (and only two) of Nichuskin, Lindholm, and Monahan available when the Flames draft. The discussion should really be how we rank those three prospects (rather than a choice between just Lindholm and Monahan), no?

Personally, I really, really hope that Lindholm is still available at 6.

[djsFlames]

So in the prospect review last night just like other reviews etc, when Shinkaruk came up, there was a lot of emphasis on how elite his offensive skills were, and just how dangerous of a player he is projected to be. NOT to imply that he is who the Flames should consider, but I'd just like to know what is separating him from Lindholm/Monahan? As there wasn't nearly as much emphasis on goal scoring ability/offense in talk around L/M as there was with him (I know Lindholm is considered more of a playmaker). Are L/M just more well rounded, as well as the size factor? Hockey sense/IQ? It just sounds like they're overselling him a bit at 9/10 compared to even some higher ranked players. (Maybe cause they think Edm will pick him up..)

He's kind of being made out to sound like the "Iginla" of the draft, in terms of a pure goal scorer. And it keeps catching my attention, which is why I'm curious to know what places our potential 2 center picks ahead of him.

[Ashasx]

Originally Posted by djsFlames

So in the prospect review last night just like other reviews etc, when Shinkaruk came up, there was a lot of emphasis on how elite his offensive skills were, and just how dangerous of a player he is projected to be. NOT to imply that he is who the Flames should consider, but I'd just like to know what is separating him from Lindholm/Monahan? As there wasn't nearly as much emphasis on goal scoring ability/offense in talk around L/M as there was with him (I know Lindholm is considered more of a playmaker). Are L/M just more well rounded, as well as the size factor? Hockey sense/IQ? It just sounds like they're overselling him a bit at 9/10 compared to even some higher ranked players. (Maybe cause they think Edm will pick him up..)

He's kind of being made out to sound like the "Iginla" of the draft, in terms of a pure goal scorer. And it keeps catching my attention, which is why I'm curious to know what places our potential 2 center picks ahead of him.

Shinkaruk is awful defensively, he's a left winger, and he's shorter than 5'11".

[nik-]

Originally Posted by Dime_On_Flames

Wow 12 pages later and still no poll? It's harder to get a poll on here then getting a credit card!

I think a poll will cause some added polarization on draft day to be honest. There's some pretty decent discussion here.

I, however, have already decided to burn this place to the ground if we don't draft Lindholm. So stock up on plastic sheeting and duct tape everyone.

[moon]

Originally Posted by puds

Any reason Monahan wasn't on the U18 team?

He was too old. Late 94 birth.

Originally Posted by Trailer Fire

I know a bit about both Lindholm and Monahan, anyone care to sell me on either pick? Not what they could be, but what they are. What they bring to the table right now, as opposed to projecting to be "X" player with "X" ceiling.

Seems for many here it comes down to Lindholm being European so big offensive upside but small and Monahan is Canadian so a plug but big with leadership.

Honestly to me they look very similar both seem to have the size to be a number 1 center, both have the offensive skills to put up points like a number 1 center and both seem to have top level to elite hockey sense. I would be happy with either so tough to sell one over the other, in my view.

[The Yen Man]

I would love it if the Flames were able to pick up Shinkaruk with the Blues pick, but that probably has even less of a chance of happening than Calgary somehow getting Barkov at 6.

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Slightly prefer Monahan.

That said, if we grabbed Lindholm instead I'd be completely fine with that too.


I still think this is a moot point as we'll be trading with Tampa or Florida and getting MacKinnon, Drouin or Barkov instead.

[Ashasx]

Poll is up!

[drPepper1]

Originally Posted by Tinordi

Who was the last high end Swedish prospect to bust or not achieve expectations?

Robert Nilsson - 15th
Patrik Berglund - 25th
Macrus Johansson - 24th
Mikael Backlund - 24th
Anton Lander - 40th

These are some first round second tier Swedish centres drafted within last 4-5 seasons. Only bust is Nilsson. High end centres from Sweden are usually as advertised.

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by moon

Seems for many here it comes down to Lindholm being European so big offensive upside but small and Monahan is Canadian so a plug but big with leadership.

Honestly to me they look very similar both seem to have the size to be a number 1 center, both have the offensive skills to put up points like a number 1 center and both seem to have top level to elite hockey sense. I would be happy with either so tough to sell one over the other, in my view.

Agree, too much generalizing due to nationality.

Both are similar players, and I think both will be good players in the NHL. If we could somehow get both players I would be ecstatic.

[moon]

Originally Posted by Tinordi

Who was the last high end Swedish prospect to bust or not achieve expectations?

Depends what you mean by high end. There have been a lot of 1st round picks that have busted but lately there have been so few top 10 picks especially forwards from Sweden that you are right it looks like the few have turned out, although too early to say on Zibindejad (sp?).

MPS is probably the closest to a high end bust but he was 10th so not sure he qualifies for what you are talking about.

[topfiverecords]

Gotta go with Monahan for sure. He puts the puck in the net, great vision and passing and just does everything out there in all 3 zones. Good size, faceoff stud, top end hockey IQ, and future captain material. Not that Lindholm isn't able to 2 way play and be physical, but I think Monahan will be a more complete player and I'm ok sacrificing a bit of extra offensive touch for that.

[moon]

Originally Posted by drPepper1

Robert Nilsson - 15th
Patrik Berglund - 25th
Macrus Johansson - 24th
Mikael Backlund - 24th
Anton Lander - 40th

These are some first round second tier Swedish centres drafted within last 4-5 seasons. Only bust is Nilsson. High end centres from Sweden are usually as advertised.

If including those guys then Anton Gufstafsson- 21st was a bust in 2008.

[automaton 3]

Originally Posted by 1stLand

as long as he doesnt have a history of concussions, pick Lindholm

No more Rico Fatas or Danie Tzachuks please

Fata was a flat out lousy pick at 6th overall.

Tkachuk was actually a decent pick at the time IMO. He looked poised to make the jump to full-time NHL'er, but was derailed by concussion issues.

[Clever_Iggy]

I don't know enough to differentiate the two. I picked Monahan, but so long as the Flames pick a center with the #6 or move up to take a center, I'll be happy.