Justin Trudeau takes the high road

[Rathji]

Originally Posted by starseed

I am just saying that it may play into an employer's hiring decision. A student taught by professors who are biased in either way would be less desirable than a student taught to be objective.

Oh, see I made the assumption that the quality of a school might somehow be tied to the quality of the students it produced or maybe the quality of instruction it gave.

I see your definition is different, which I guess is fine.

[mykalberta]

CBC had a good round table on the add and a new poll that show JTs metrics are very high.

Its 2 years until an election but it looks like it will be at least an interesting election. NDP vs Liberals - give me the Liberals any day of the week and twice on Saturday.

[Makarov]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

I actually agree with the lack of experience and him living off his family name (the latter bothers me the most whether it's a Kennedy, Bush or Trudeau),

You forgot Manning.

[redforever]

Originally Posted by Resolute 14

Not only that, but the strongest negative reactions in this thread are from hard left posters. Got news for them: these ads aren't targeted at them.

That being said, I do agree with Cowperson's commentary re: the Ignatieff ads vs. these. The problem with targeting perceived in experience is that it only takes time to overcome that. The Ignatieff ads targeted motive, and that is far more effective. The latter was brilliantly effective, the former, much more difficult to pull off.

Nope, they are not gonna work on my generation, at least not those in my social network. I am Conservative, I fall into the older generation, and I find these ads disgusting, childish, and totally out of date with what I am looking for from any political candidate.

[rubecube]

Originally Posted by Resolute 14

Not only that, but the strongest negative reactions in this thread are from hard left posters. Got news for them: these ads aren't targeted at them.

I wouldn't call myself a hard leftist. On most social issues I am, but there are a number of issues where I would definitely say I lean more to the right. I'm really not sure who these ads are intended for. I don't see them working well in places like Quebec or Ontario, and I've seen more negative reactions to them from people in the centre of the spectrum than I have from people on the far left, who largely view it as "Here we go again."

I'd also point again to the 2008 election in the U.S. as an example of negative campaigning ultimately losing a battle to positivity. People generally like positivity.

[FlamesAddiction]

http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/stor...udeau-ads.html

Liberal Leader Justin Trudeau should be praised, not pilloried, for taking part in the charity fundraiser that's now being featured in a Conservative attack ad, according to the event's auctioneer, a lifelong Conservative supporter.

Kent Browne, who told Ottawa Morning host Robyn Bresnahan that he was born and raised Conservative, said on the program Friday morning that he admires Trudeau for participating in the annual event, called What A Girl Wants. The Canadian Liver Foundation's event raises money and awareness about liver health for women.

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"He comes, and he's a great sport," Browne said. "So I admire that, and I think that's very hard to watch, (the Conservatives) take what was an in-fun, great event charity fundraiser in front of 400 women. If I looked like him, I'd be taking my shirt off too."

Browne said Trudeau is invited to hundreds of events a year, yet he has repeatedly chosen to support the Canadian Liver Foundation, and that should be applauded.

The charity auctioneer said he thinks using the footage against Trudeau could discourage politicians in the future from supporting causes and participating in a lighthearted way. He said he doesn't know if he will change his vote from Conservative to Liberal in the next election. That will depend on what Trudeau and the Liberals end up standing for when the time comes.
"All I can say is, he's one incredible guy," said Browne. He also wrote a letter to the editor that was published in the Ottawa Citizen saying that he was egging Trudeau on during the auction.

[polak]

Fyi, everytime I read the stupid pompus title of this thread, I get angry.

[burn_this_city]

Originally Posted by polak

Fyi, everytime I read the stupid pompus title of this thread, I get angry.

I don't see what's pompous about it?

[rubecube]

Originally Posted by burn_this_city

I don't see what's pompous about it?

Road is one of them big city, fancy words for walkin' path!

[Makarov]

Originally Posted by rubecube

road is one of them big city, fancy words for suv ranch

fyp.

[Smartcar]

Originally Posted by polak

Fyi, everytime I read the stupid pompus title of this thread, I get angry.

Sorry to have offended you, how would you have titled it?

[longsuffering]

Originally Posted by Smartcar

Sorry to have offended you, how would you have titled it?

How 'bout "Trudeau declines to roll in the mud with the CPC"

[Matty81]

It's crazy how Harper is green lighting these ad campaigns at the exact same time he's trying to wrap himself in the flag of righteousness charging full speed ahead on the anti-bullying laws in response to the poor kid in NS.

Not that there's any parallel between lispy and a mentally vulnerable teen but you think they'd at least pause for a week or two before starting up a large scale series of personal attacks.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by Zulu29

What I can't stand is the lying, scheming divisive experience we're being subjected to right now.

As opposed to the lying, scheming divisive experience we would be subjected to if the Trudeau was prime minister? You make it sound like the Liberals have a history of a squeaky clean party and that there is such a thing as clean politics.

[longsuffering]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

As opposed to the lying, scheming divisive experience we would be subjected to if the Trudeau was prime minister? You make it sound like the Liberals have a history of a squeaky clean party and that there is such a thing as clean politics.

I don't really understand this kind of response.

"The other guys did it too".

Past performance is not necessarily indicative of future results.

Shouldn't we expect and demand more? From everyone?

It was wrong in the past. It is wrong in the present.

Let's try to get it right now and in the future.

[Devils'Advocate]

Heh. A co-worker once told me that he never votes for the party in power. His claim was that every party in power does despicable things with that power and that should never be rewarded.

I do find it funny that the Sponsorship Scandal is used as some kind of holy grail.

"Conservatives muzzle environmental scientists": "Well at least they didn't have a sponsorship scandal!!"

"Conservatives waste millions on lavish G20 conference": "Well at least they didn't have a sponsorship scandal"

"Auditor general rips Conservatives for billions of dollars of cost overruns on F-35 jets contract" : "Well, at least they didn't have a sponsorship scandal"

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From Wikipedia:

The program ran from 1996 until 2004, when broad corruption was discovered in its operations and the program was discontinued. Illicit and even illegal activities within the administration of the program were revealed, involving misuse and misdirection of public funds intended for government advertising in Quebec. Such misdirections included sponsorship money awarded to ad firms in return for little or no work, which firms maintained Liberal organizers or fundraisers on their payrolls or donated back part of the money to the Liberal Party. The resulting investigations and scandal affected the Liberal Party of Canada and the then-government of Prime Minister Paul Martin. It was an ongoing affair for years, but rose to national prominence in early 2004 after the program was examined by Sheila Fraser, the federal auditor general. Her revelations led to the Martin government establishing the Gomery Commission to conduct a public inquiry and file a report on the matter. The official title of this inquiry was the Commission of Inquiry into the Sponsorship Program and Advertising Activities. In the end the Commission concluded that $2 million was awarded in contracts without a proper bidding process, $250,000 was added to one contract price for no additional work, and $1.5 million was awarded for work that was never done, of which $1 million had to be repaid. The total cost of the Commission was $14 million.

The sponsorship scandal was absolute peanuts compared to the total federal budget. In order to avoid another such scandal the Conservatives have added a dozen layers of bureaucracy to an already bloated public service. Instead of becoming more efficient, somehow, someway they managed to make us LESS efficient. They killed an ant with a sledgehammer. A very, very, very expensive sledgehammer. And in doing so, they have really difficult for talented employees to be productive employees.

To point, I'm responsible for some of the pay related systems at a federal department. I've been told that to avoid the possibility of someone stealing taxpayers money and there being another scandal, I will no longer be allowed access to production data because "I know too much about the inner workings of the system" and "could manipulate the system to my economic advantage" (commit fraud). So, basically, if the production system fails in some way, they want someone who has little knowledge of the inner workings of the system to look into it. Brilliant. They have really cut off their nose to spite their face. But at least there is no sponsorship scandal.

[SebC]

Originally Posted by Devils'Advocate

I do find it funny that the Sponsorship Scandal is used as some kind of holy grail.

That falls on voters, really. The Liberals lost power because of the sponsorship scandal, so of course the Conservatives will do anything they can to avoid one.

It's about freakin' time the sponsorship scandal effect wore off, and that alone makes the Liberals contenders.

[killer_carlson]

Originally Posted by starseed

Perhaps the fact that it is second in Alberta. A first rate school would be UofT... and employers would definitely see more value in a U of T degree compared with one from U of C. (not to mention the perceived right wing bias from U of C professors)

you forgot the green text.

[Zulu29]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

As opposed to the lying, scheming divisive experience we would be subjected to if the Trudeau was prime minister? You make it sound like the Liberals have a history of a squeaky clean party and that there is such a thing as clean politics.

Ah I see you brought out your "jump to conclusions mat". You make it sound like everyone should just accept the fact that politicians are liars and there can be no such thing as clean politics. Well I call bs and frankly I think a large proportion of the Canadian public do as well. I want to vote for someone who can at least rise above petty name calling and outright fraudulent attach ads. I want to vote for someone who gets to the heart of the matter and deals with it.

[SebC]

Originally Posted by Zulu29

Ah I see you brought out your "jump to conclusions mat". You make it sound like everyone should just accept the fact that politicians are liars and there can be no such thing as clean politics. Well I call bs and frankly I think a large proportion of the Canadian public do as well. I want to vote for someone who can at least rise above petty name calling and outright fraudulent attach ads. I want to vote for someone who gets to the heart of the matter and deals with it.

... and has a basic grasp on economics.