Flames 2013 Draft Discussion

[dammage79]

Right handed center versus left handed center.

Canadian center versus Swedish center....

Flip a coin, and either way, you get one heck of a prospect.

I really like Lindholms tenacity.

I really like Monahans knack for the net and finishing those greasy goals.

Both are equal in playmaking ability.

The one thing that stands out for me though is the points production in the elite league for Lindholm versus the production in the OHL for Monahan.

Smaller ice versus kids or bigger ice versus grown men and professionals.

6'2" versus 6'0".

[Psytic]

I dont know #### from shinola about Monahan but I know that he seems to be the one with the most question marks about his offensive ability in all the scouting reports i've read. I would rather have someone with more offensive upside tbh like Lindholm but like I said I haven't really been following Monahan at all to get my own read on the guy.

[flames_fan_down_under]

Originally Posted by Da_Chief

1999 is one of the worst drafts.

Yeesh, just checked out that draft class. The Sedins and Havlat are the only good things to come out of that draft.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by Psytic

I dont know #### from shinola about Monahan but I know that he seems to be the one with the most question marks about his offensive ability in all the scouting reports i've read. I would rather have someone with more offensive upside tbh like Lindholm but like I said I haven't really been following Monahan at all to get my own read on the guy.

I agree, but I also seem to recall that was the same knock on Iginla in his draft year.

But I agree with your point. I'd take the guy with the higher perceived offensive upside as well.

[ComixZone]

Prediction time:

Flames lose tonight.
Edmonton wins 1 of remaining 2 games
Nashville beats Columbus in overtime
Carolina beats Pittsburgh
Tampa Bay beats Florida

Flames end up with 4th overall pick (tied with Tampa, but Tampa gets 3rd overall because they have 1 shootout win, we have 0)

Flames also select 21st overall (St. Louis) and 30th overall (Pittsburgh)

4th overall: Aleksander Barkov (C, 6'2, 205)
21st overall: Rasmus Ristolainen (D, 6'3, 203lbs)
30th overall: Mirco Mueller (D, 6'3, 184lbs)

[nik-]

Originally Posted by dammage79

The one thing that stands out for me though is the points production in the elite league for Lindholm versus the production in the OHL for Monahan.

Smaller ice versus kids or bigger ice versus grown men and professionals.

You have to lean on comparables. There are 3 or 4 players who've had better years than Lindholm in their draft eligible year.

The Sedins
Forsberg
and and I think Tomas Sandstrom

Also, the MODO teams that Forsberg and the Sedins played on were better than Brynas has been.

[dammage79]

Originally Posted by nik-

You have to lean on comparables. There are 3 or 4 players who've had better years than Lindholm in their draft eligible year.

The Sedins
Forsberg
and and I think Tomas Sandstrom

Also, the MODO teams that Forsberg and the Sedins played on were better than Brynas has been.

Extra point for Lindholm then

[Gary83]

Originally Posted by dammage79

Right handed center versus left handed center.

Canadian center versus Swedish center....

Flip a coin, and either way, you get one heck of a prospect.

I really like Lindholms tenacity.

I really like Monahans knack for the net and finishing those greasy goals.

Both are equal in playmaking ability.

The one thing that stands out for me though is the points production in the elite league for Lindholm versus the production in the OHL for Monahan.

Smaller ice versus kids or bigger ice versus grown men and professionals.

6'2" versus 6'0".

I'd normally tend to agree with you, but looking at his team's total production is kind of interesting, he's 27 points up on the second leading scorer.

http://www.ontariohockeyleague.com/s...n/46/ls_team/5

[Henry Fool]

I think a lot of fan discussion is based on vague ideas and feelings, so I try not to have strong preferences. However, different prospects are not interchangeable although they might seem that way to us. The choice between Lindholm and Monahan, for example, could be a very big one. The only thing you can do is hope that the Flames can make the correct call.

Also, anyone expecting a Forsberg is setting himself up for disappointment.

[PeteMoss]

Originally Posted by Gary83

I'd normally tend to agree with you, but looking at his team's total production is kind of interesting, he's 27 points up on the second leading scorer.

http://www.ontariohockeyleague.com/s...n/46/ls_team/5

A lot of that is because they traded Graovac (Minnesota prospect) and Ceci (Ottawa prospect) mid-season. They weren't that terrible all year long. He had similar stats the year prior with Toffoli and others.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

Yeah I'm going to say no to that. If they have a good draft they should be able to move into the 10-20 territory but as it sits now the Flames still are in the bottom 10 of the league as far as prospects go.

It's just one opinion, but Hockey'sFuture has already moved the Flames at least into the 11-20 range with their most recent update. (the link below is only the first part, which includes the 21-30 teams - which doesn't include the Flames)

http://www.hockeysfuture.com/article...-playoff-push/

Adding 3 1st rounders can only help their situation.

Then looking forward, they will have several assets to move at the trade deadline again next year. If they don't screw things up, the Flames should be among the top teams in the NHL for prospects by next year's draft.

[Gary83]

Originally Posted by PeteMoss

A lot of that is because they traded Graovac (Minnesota prospect) and Ceci (Ottawa prospect) mid-season. They weren't that terrible all year long. He had similar stats the year prior with Toffoli and others.

Yes but if they don't trade those guys his point totals also wouldn't be sitting at 78, they'd be alot more impressive.

[bucksmasher]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

Prediction time:

Flames lose tonight.
Edmonton wins 1 of remaining 2 games
Nashville beats Columbus in overtime
Carolina beats Pittsburgh
Tampa Bay beats Florida

Flames end up with 4th overall pick (tied with Tampa, but Tampa gets 3rd overall because they have 1 shootout win, we have 0)

Flames also select 21st overall (St. Louis) and 30th overall (Pittsburgh)

4th overall: Aleksander Barkov (C, 6'2, 205)
21st overall: Rasmus Ristolainen (D, 6'3, 203lbs)
30th overall: Mirco Mueller (D, 6'3, 184lbs)

My prediction: we'l be tied with 5 teams at 42 pts and still remain in 24th
due to ROW. Expect the worst hope for the best.

[EldrickOnIce]

"And while Nichushkin has shown next to no interest in stepping up his game — his body language says it all — McDavid has filled the void as the tournament’s top player to watch."

http://www.cbc.ca/sports/hockey/nhl/...mpionship.html

Flames - Please step away from the Russian

[robaur]

Originally Posted by EldrickOnIce

"And while Nichushkin has shown next to no interest in stepping up his game — his body language says it all — McDavid has filled the void as the tournament’s top player to watch."

http://www.cbc.ca/sports/hockey/nhl/...mpionship.html

Flames - Please step away from the Russian

Maybe Nichushkin is just sick of the abuse that he has been getting from government officials and hockey officials over the past 2 weeks. If I was in his shoes, I wouldn't want anything to do with the stupid tournament, and try my hardest NOT to do political favors for Vladamir Putin's Russia.

[dammage79]

Yep, let Nichushkin slide, all the way to the St.Louis pick. Seriously doubt now though that he does. Sounds like he wants nothing to do with Russia right now.

[EldrickOnIce]

Yeah.... maybe that's it.
Don't like the sound of it though

[Da_Chief]

Domi on Sportsnet One right now, impressive, explosive player. Switch him to wing and you have a player.

[The Fonz]

Originally Posted by Cheerio

Because he's a defence man? If he's BPA when we're picking I hope we take him. And only way we end up anywhere near him is if we win the lottery

If we win the lottery, trade down to 2nd or 3rd. Or just take the guy we want/need in Nathan MacKinnon with the 1st overall pick.

I will have an aneurism if we take a d-man with our pick.

Here's a list of all d-men drafted in the top 10 from 2001-2010:

Gudbranson
McIlrath
Hedman
Ekman-Larsson
Cowen
Doughty
Bogosian
Pietrangelo
Schenn
Hickey
Alzer
Ellerby
E. Johnson
J. Johnson
Lee
Barker
Smid
Valabik
Suter
Coburn
Phaneuf
Bouwmeester
Pitkanen
Whitney
Komisarek

So what... 6 home runs there? Out of 25? 24%

We don't need an NHL player with our 1st rounder this year, we need an elite superstar. We need a new face for this franchise with the absence of Iginla.

[PeteMoss]

Do the forwards and I suspect the 24% range in the same.