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[You Need a Thneed]

Originally Posted by moon

Which goalies are as good and available?

If teams wouldn't take Luongo on waivers then there are a lot of terrible GM's out there that are doing a piss poor job of managing their teams.

Luongo is an upgrade on at least 15 teams goalies right now and at least 5-6 of those teams make sense to grab him even with the big ticket.

Name them. Remember that the Salary cap is going down by 6 million dollars next year, and you would be adding a $5.3 million dollar contract.

Teams that won't be interested in Luongo, with main reason why:

Teams Happy with their goaltending, or already have long term starter:
Ottawa, LA, Boston, Chicago, Columbus, NYR, Anahiem, San Jose, St Louis, Detroit, Pittsburgh, Nashville, Montreal, Carolina, Dallas, Winnipeg,

Teams unable to add salary this offseason:
Philadelphia, Tampa Bay,

Unlikely:
Colorado - have two goalies under contract for next season, not willing to spend
New Jersey - two goalies under contract
Minnesota - needs a goalie, but might make cap space tight.
Calgary - Not going that direction


Maybes:
Washington - May need a goalie - could make cap space work
Toronto - Two goalie for next year got them in this year. may squeeze them for cap space next year.
Edmonton - Needs a goalie for next year
Buffalo - Miller on his way out?
Florida - needs a goalie for next year
Phoenix - no goalies for next year
NYI - but do they really want to have 2 long term goalies that might not be playing in the future. Do need a goalie or two for next year.

I see those 7 teams as teams that would perhaps consider Luongo. Would any of them be willing to take on that contract? Remember, those teams have already had a chance to trade for him.

[You Need a Thneed]

Originally Posted by moon

Emery isn't close to as good, Smith has questions about what he can/has done without Phoenix system in front of him and Backstrom at this point is not as good.

Smith and Backstrom have similar numbers to Luongo this season, both perhaps slightly worse, but close enough to say they are about the same.

Emery has a better save percentage, a much better GAA, and is 17-1 this season. You are right in saying that he's not close to as good. He's much better.

I don't see why a team would want Luongo and his contract when Smith, Backstrom, Emery, Bernier, Miller, etc, are all still on the table, or might be on the table - and have no way of really hurting you down the road.

[Psytic]

Dubnyk actually looks pretty solid these days I dont think the Oil would want Lou either.

[PeteMoss]

Luongo's fine, just not worth his contract so he has negative value. Most of the teams that could use him are cheap and aren't going to want to take on the contract. Which leaves the Leafs and that option could dry up if Reimer does well in the playoffs.

[Ruttiger]

Originally Posted by You Need a Thneed

Name them. Remember that the Salary cap is going down by 6 million dollars next year, and you would be adding a $5.3 million dollar contract.

Teams that won't be interested in Luongo, with main reason why:

Maybes:
Edmonton - Needs a goalie for next year

It baffles me how people still claim goaltending is a weakness for Edmonton. Dubnyk's numbers have improved steadily since he joined the NHL. With a save% hovering around .920 most of the year and the fact he was the only reason they didn't fall out of contention for a playoff spot much earlier, I'd say goaltending is a long way down Edmonton's list of needs at the moment.

He may or may not yet develop into an elite number 1 netminder, but at the very least he's proven himself capable of being a decent starting NHL goaltender.

[moon]

Originally Posted by You Need a Thneed

Smith and Backstrom have similar numbers to Luongo this season, both perhaps slightly worse, but close enough to say they are about the same.

Emery has a better save percentage, a much better GAA, and is 17-1 this season. You are right in saying that he's not close to as good. He's much better.

I don't see why a team would want Luongo and his contract when Smith, Backstrom, Emery, Bernier, Miller, etc, are all still on the table, or might be on the table - and have no way of really hurting you down the road.

Basing it off one year and yes perhaps you can make an argument but Emery isn't far away from playing in the KHL and playing behind the best team in the league. Good luck to any team that thinks they are getting this from him next year without the luck he has and the Hawks in front of him.

Backstrom is already 35 seems risky to add him over Luongo when Backstrom has weaker numbers.

I said with Smith concerns about how much his recent play has to do with Phoenix, He didn't look great in his previous two stops and with Bryz flopping in Philly some questions need to be asked.

Bernier and Miller are going to cost a ton to get if someone decides to go that route and Miller isn't any better with a big deal himself and Bernier although looks very solid still hasn't shown much at the NHL level.

[moon]

Originally Posted by You Need a Thneed

Name them. Remember that the Salary cap is going down by 6 million dollars next year, and you would be adding a $5.3 million dollar contract.

Teams that won't be interested in Luongo, with main reason why:

Teams Happy with their goaltending, or already have long term starter:
Ottawa, LA, Boston, Chicago, Columbus, NYR, Anahiem, San Jose, St Louis, Detroit, Pittsburgh, Nashville, Montreal, Carolina, Dallas, Winnipeg,

Teams unable to add salary this offseason:
Philadelphia, Tampa Bay,

Unlikely:
Colorado - have two goalies under contract for next season, not willing to spend
New Jersey - two goalies under contract
Minnesota - needs a goalie, but might make cap space tight.
Calgary - Not going that direction


Maybes:
Washington - May need a goalie - could make cap space work
Toronto - Two goalie for next year got them in this year. may squeeze them for cap space next year.
Edmonton - Needs a goalie for next year
Buffalo - Miller on his way out?
Florida - needs a goalie for next year
Phoenix - no goalies for next year
NYI - but do they really want to have 2 long term goalies that might not be playing in the future. Do need a goalie or two for next year.

I see those 7 teams as teams that would perhaps consider Luongo. Would any of them be willing to take on that contract? Remember, those teams have already had a chance to trade for him.

For me teams that should be interested in adding him are Phoenix (if they lose Smith), NYI, Florida, NJ, Nashville, Minnesota (if they lose Backstrom).

Other teams like Toronto, Washington, Colorado, Philly should also take a look if they can move out 1 of the goalies they already have.

[Oling_Roachinen]

Originally Posted by moon

For me teams that should be interested in adding him are Phoenix (if they lose Smith), NYI, Florida, NJ, Nashville, Minnesota (if they lose Backstrom).

Actual money is an issue. Luongo at 6.7M is too big of a price. And Nashville? They have Rinne...

[ah123]

Originally Posted by Ruttiger

It baffles me how people still claim goaltending is a weakness for Edmonton. Dubnyk's numbers have improved steadily since he joined the NHL. With a save% hovering around .920 most of the year and the fact he was the only reason they didn't fall out of contention for a playoff spot much earlier, I'd say goaltending is a long way down Edmonton's list of needs at the moment.

He may or may not yet develop into an elite number 1 netminder, but at the very least he's proven himself capable of being a decent starting NHL goaltender.

Getting someone like Miller (or Luongo) on the Oilers will hide a lot of their flaws .Just like Kipper (in the last few years) made Calgary look better than it really was.

[opendoor]

Originally Posted by You Need a Thneed

Smith and Backstrom have similar numbers to Luongo this season, both perhaps slightly worse, but close enough to say they are about the same.

Emery has a better save percentage, a much better GAA, and is 17-1 this season. You are right in saying that he's not close to as good. He's much better.

Yeah, mediocre goalies never put up good numbers over small samples only to crater the next year.

Any GM who honestly thinks Emery is going to provide better goaltending going forward than Luongo should be (and likely would be in short order) out of a job.

[dammage79]

What team in their right mind would take that contract?

I predict that Vancouver either buys Luongo out or trades Schneider. Would be very surprising if any team takes on Luongo's contract.

Maybe, if PHX moves to Quebec City would they grab him for the French factor. Even then, unlikely.

[opendoor]

Originally Posted by dammage79

What team in their right mind would take that contract?

A team that wants an elite goalie for basically nothing other than money.

[You Need a Thneed]

Originally Posted by moon

For me teams that should be interested in adding him are Phoenix (if they lose Smith), NYI, Florida, NJ, Nashville, Minnesota (if they lose Backstrom).

Other teams like Toronto, Washington, Colorado, Philly should also take a look if they can move out 1 of the goalies they already have.

What Phoenix does about a goalie depends a great deal on whether the team is playing in Phoenix next season.

Do we really think that the Islanders want to add another long term goalie contract? However, they just might be dumb enough to take on Luongo

Florida will definitely be interested in acquiring one of the talked about goalies.

New Jersey - it depends on what Brodeur does. He's signed one more year, and his cap hit cannot come off. Brodeur comes back, no room for Luongo.
Brodeur doesn't come back, they will need a goalie, but cap hit reserved for goalies becomes an issue.

Nashville has Rinne, and would have to move him out, which I doubt they do.

Minnesota will be looking for a goalie if they lose backstrom for sure, but they already have a lot of long term money tied up. Adding Luongo would mean that they would have $20 million signed for the 2021-2022 season.

Philly simply cannot afford to add Luongo in this offseason. They are going to have to buy out and trade just to get under the cap. - and they would also have to unload Byrzgalov.

[Ruttiger]

Originally Posted by ah123

Getting someone like Miller (or Luongo) on the Oilers will hide a lot of their flaws .Just like Kipper (in the last few years) made Calgary look better than it really was.

An argument could be made that Dubnyk did that this year as well.....

[Psytic]

Originally Posted by ah123

Getting someone like Miller (or Luongo) on the Oilers will hide a lot of their flaws .Just like Kipper (in the last few years) made Calgary look better than it really was.

I just don't see it. Way too much cap when Dubnyk is only making 3.5 and playing really well anyway.

[Psytic]

I wonder if we want him. We got loads of cap to burn. If Ramo and berra don't pan out he could work and we actually do have enough cap space for him to ride the pine if they do pan out. If Feaster's "marching orders are to make the playoffs next year" seems like just the kind of desperation move he would need to get there.

[You Need a Thneed]

Originally Posted by opendoor

Yeah, mediocre goalies never put up good numbers over small samples only to crater the next year.

Any GM who honestly thinks Emery is going to provide better goaltending going forward than Luongo should be (and likely would be in short order) out of a job.

Goalie performance is only one factor. Luongo has a contract that comes with him, that is guaranteed, and will come with a penalty even if Luongo retires.

[GGG]

If Luongo was waived I would say Calgary should pick him up. I wouldn't want to give much up to get him but if he was free I would take a look.

Is luongo worth a 5.3million dollar cap hit for the next 5 years. The answer is probably. After that it would make him two years older than Kipper is now. At that point in time the salary drops to 3.5, then 1.5,1,1 to close out the deal. So as soon as his salary is below his cap hit the islanders or someone along those lines will be interested.

So the risk is a lot lower than one might think. And it is highly likely that Luongo for the next 5 years will be better than Berra or Ramo. Also that allows Gilles or Broissot to develop nicely until they are ready.

Prior to this year I would say that it would have been a bad idea but his attitude during this whole season has been fantastic and hasn't affected his results. He really seems like a team guy which was not what I saw say in the Boston series.

[moon]

Originally Posted by Oling_Roachinen

Actual money is an issue. Luongo at 6.7M is too big of a price. And Nashville? They have Rinne...

Originally Posted by You Need a Thneed

What Phoenix does about a goalie depends a great deal on whether the team is playing in Phoenix next season.

Do we really think that the Islanders want to add another long term goalie contract? However, they just might be dumb enough to take on Luongo

Florida will definitely be interested in acquiring one of the talked about goalies.

New Jersey - it depends on what Brodeur does. He's signed one more year, and his cap hit cannot come off. Brodeur comes back, no room for Luongo.
Brodeur doesn't come back, they will need a goalie, but cap hit reserved for goalies becomes an issue.

Nashville has Rinne, and would have to move him out, which I doubt they do.

Minnesota will be looking for a goalie if they lose backstrom for sure, but they already have a lot of long term money tied up. Adding Luongo would mean that they would have $20 million signed for the 2021-2022 season.

Philly simply cannot afford to add Luongo in this offseason. They are going to have to buy out and trade just to get under the cap. - and they would also have to unload Byrzgalov.

Nashville was a mistake not sure how they got on that list.

I think NYI could add him because the real money goes down and they need to get to salary floor each year.

Philly was a bit of a wildcard and did mention they would have to make moves but I see both them and NJ as being creative and willing to make big moves.

There was talk of Brodeur not coming back this year so perhaps he retires this offseason or Lou realizes he has no replacement and can get Luongo for dirt cheap.

[moon]

Originally Posted by You Need a Thneed

Goalie performance is only one factor. Luongo has a contract that comes with him, that is guaranteed, and will come with a penalty even if Luongo retires.

What penalty if he retires?