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Ashasx · 04-26-2013, 10:07 AM

Morrissey has extremely high bust potential... you don't take him over Ristolainen, who has a sweet name, and many scouts say he could play in the NHL next season.

indes · 04-26-2013, 10:09 AM

I'm a monafan

Icon · 04-26-2013, 10:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Ashasx

Morrissey has extremely high bust potential... you don't take him over Ristolainen, who has a sweet name, and many scouts say he could play in the NHL next season.

I think a lot of players have a high bust potential even just statistically once you're past the top 10 picks of a draft.

I like Ristolainen too, but I think he'll be gone before the St.Louis pick anyway so it's probably a moot point.

handgroen · 04-26-2013, 10:12 AM

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Originally Posted by GoFlamesGo1989

I just don't see Lindholm as being a number 1 Center. He reminds me of Backlund with just a little more physical element. Don't get me wrong but Monahan has size and is NHL ready. Steve Spott Canada says he has NHL hockey IQ already. The guy hasn't even played a pro game yet. That is high praise.

I'm not sure backlund could match lindholm's point totals in the elite league this year, even being 4.5 years older.

these are backlund's numers in the second tier swedish league before his draft
18GP 1G 2A 3PTS

these are lindholm's numbers in the elite league
48GP 11G 19A 30PTS
so 10 times better and in a better league? yeah same exact player

now for fun some real comparables

backstrom elite league
46GP 10G 16A 26PTS

Forsberg elite league
23GP 7G 10A 17PTS

looks damn good to me!

Ashasx · 04-26-2013, 10:21 AM

New NHL.com mock drafts: http://www.nhl.com/ice/news.htm?id=667662

Kimelman's draft:
7. Shinkaruk (oh god)
22. Hagg
29. Comrie

Morreale's draft:
7. Nurse
22. Fucale (we really don't need another goalie, nevermind wasting a 1st round pick on one)
29. Morin

Hoffner's draft:
7. Barkov (good... good...)
22. Morrissey
29. Lazar (steal)

devo22 · 04-26-2013, 10:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Ashasx

Hoffner's draft:
7. Barkov (good... good...)
22. Morrissey
29. Lazar (steal)

dream scenario!

the other two are pretty meh, both have us pick a goalie in the 1st which should be an absolute no-go. And I absolutely don't want Shinkaruk at 7.

smalltownref · 04-26-2013, 10:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ashasx

New NHL.com mock drafts: http://www.nhl.com/ice/news.htm?id=667662

Kimelman's draft:
7. Shinkaruk (oh god)
22. Hagg
29. Comrie

Morreale's draft:
7. Nurse
22. Fucale (we really don't need another goalie, nevermind wasting a 1st round pick on one)
29. Morin

Hoffner's draft:
7. Barkov (good... good...)
22. Morrissey
29. Lazar (steal)

While I think that Hoffner's is the best scenerio for the flames, I think his mock draft is the most out to lunch. He has shattenkirk going 4th overall to the preds, Edmonton picking Hagg at 6th overall (he should go somewhere around 20th overall), and Lindholm will slide to 13th overall. Best case scenerio, but most unlikely IMO.

looooob · 04-26-2013, 10:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ashasx

New NHL.com mock drafts: http://www.nhl.com/ice/news.htm?id=667662

Kimelman's draft:
7. Shinkaruk (oh god)
22. Hagg
29. Comrie

Morreale's draft:
7. Nurse
22. Fucale (we really don't need another goalie, nevermind wasting a 1st round pick on one)
29. Morin

Hoffner's draft:
7. Barkov (good... good...)
22. Morrissey
29. Lazar (steal)

all of these have one of Lindholm or Monahan falling a bit, for example Lindholm still available for PHX at 11 in the Shinkaruk version and available for Detroit at 13 in another one!

I cannot imagine the heads exploding (including mine) if the Morreale route was followed and no forwards were added in the first 3 picks

Ashasx · 04-26-2013, 10:32 AM

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Originally Posted by smalltownref

While I think that Hoffner's is the best scenerio for the flames, I think his mock draft is the most out to lunch. He has shattenkirk going 4th overall to the preds, Edmonton picking Hagg at 6th overall (he should go somewhere around 20th overall), and Lindholm will slide to 13th overall. Best case scenerio, but most unlikely IMO.

For some reason the Flames pass on Lindholm for Shinkaruk in Kimelman's draft (he falls all the way to 11) and take Comrie (who just had a hip surgery; 3rd round pick at best), of all goalies, in the 1st.

They are all terrible mocks.

Muta · 04-26-2013, 10:32 AM

Hoffner is out to lunch. Completely. Hagg at 6th? Edmonton could drop ten spots, get an NHL player out of it, and still pick up Hagg.

red sky · 04-26-2013, 10:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Huntingwhale

Monhan please. Any player who makes the others around him better, as the scouting report says, needs to be on our team.

I also have a sickening feeling that given our luck with the hockey gods, that a team above us will win the lottery. I can just feel it.

OT: How on earth did you find that Avatar. I would hate to see what you put into Google Images to get that one.

Anyways, I have that same feeling that either:

A) Oilers win the draft lotter; or

B) Someone above the Flames wins it.

handgroen · 04-26-2013, 10:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ashasx

New NHL.com mock drafts: http://www.nhl.com/ice/news.htm?id=667662

Kimelman's draft:
7. Shinkaruk (oh god)
22. Hagg
29. Comrie

had lindholm at 11th if he's still there by some fluke you do whatever you can to get him

Soliak · 04-26-2013, 10:35 AM

lol @ those mock drafts.

SuperMatt18 · 04-26-2013, 10:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ashasx

New NHL.com mock drafts: http://www.nhl.com/ice/news.htm?id=667662

Kimelman's draft:
7. Shinkaruk (oh god)
22. Hagg
29. Comrie

Morreale's draft:
7. Nurse
22. Fucale (we really don't need another goalie, nevermind wasting a 1st round pick on one)
29. Morin

Hoffner's draft:
7. Barkov (good... good...)
22. Morrissey
29. Lazar (steal)

Don't know enough about him but why does CP not like Shinkaruk.

I understand we prefer Barkov, Lindholm, and Monahan and for good reason but why would Shinkaruk be a bad pick?

handgroen · 04-26-2013, 10:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ashasx

Morreale's draft:
7. Nurse
22. Fucale (we really don't need another goalie, nevermind wasting a 1st round pick on one)
29. Morin

Hoffner's draft:
7. Barkov (good... good...)
22. Morrissey
29. Lazar (steal)

Morreale has monahan at 10th

Hoffner has monahan 10th and lindholm 13th

i know those mocks suck

but i still have a glimmer of a whisper of a hint of an inkling we could trade up and get both monahan and lindholm.

nik- · 04-26-2013, 10:40 AM

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Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

Don't know enough about him but why does CP not like Shinkaruk.

I understand we prefer Barkov, Lindholm, and Monahan and for good reason but why would Shinkaruk be a bad pick?

He's a fine player, but not when there are two potential 1st line centers there.

Muta · 04-26-2013, 10:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

Don't know enough about him but why does CP not like Shinkaruk.

I understand we prefer Barkov, Lindholm, and Monahan and for good reason but why would Shinkaruk be a bad pick?

You don't draft him at 7th, there's players with greater potential available at that spot.

If we trade down to 11th, Shinkaruk is a great pick.

Ashasx · 04-26-2013, 10:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

Don't know enough about him but why does CP not like Shinkaruk.

I understand we prefer Barkov, Lindholm, and Monahan and for good reason but why would Shinkaruk be a bad pick?

Shinkaruk, a one-dimensional left winger over Lindholm or Monahan?

Shinkaruk is the perfect fit around 10-15 and a terrible pick before that.

nik- · 04-26-2013, 10:43 AM

Additionally, can someone sell me on Monahan who's seen him play? I've considered getting either him or Lindholm as a success for the Flames, but I'm strongly leaning Lindholm as my preference. Can someone give me a build up of Monahan that's something other than 'elite potential playing on a bad team'?

T@T · 04-26-2013, 11:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by handgroen

I'm not sure backlund could match lindholm's point totals in the elite league this year, even being 4.5 years older.

these are backlund's numers in the second tier swedish league before his draft
18GP 1G 2A 3PTS

these are lindholm's numbers in the elite league
48GP 11G 19A 30PTS
so 10 times better and in a better league? yeah same exact player

now for fun some real comparables

backstrom elite league
46GP 10G 16A 26PTS

Forsberg elite league
23GP 7G 10A 17PTS

looks damn good to me!

It's all about opportunity,Backland in the Swedish league didn't get much ice time and was injured during his draft year, but Backland was a beast at the WJC against his peers...Lindholm not so much.