RCMP preparing to give FBI and DEA authority to arrest Canadians in Canada.

[Reaper]

Originally Posted by Bring_Back_Shantz

If there’s an arrest, there’s two options: we could prosecute in Canada, or there’s a formal extradition request. There’s no situation here where we’re talking about someone apprehended in Canada and is summarily returned to the United States...due process that exists today will continue to apply,” he said.

Facts eh? Who needs em?

Well, I guess I missed the second page of the article. It's a good thing I had you to act condescending in pointing it out to me.

Regardless of my uneasiness regarding extradition I am still opposed to United States Law Enforcement Agencies operating in Canada.

[Nehkara]

I sent a message to my MP about this issue.

Absolutely not, under any circumstances.

[Bring_Back_Shantz]

Originally Posted by dammage79

A big no from me as well. Unless they are in a joint task force working on anti-terrorism or anti-gang units, there is absolutely no need for foreign authorities to come across the border and have carte blanche on canadian citizens.

Based on the unbolded part of your post, I'm guessing the bolded part is in response to someone asking you "Did you actually read the artcile?"

[Bring_Back_Shantz]

Originally Posted by Reaper

Well, I guess I missed the second page of the article. It's a good thing I had you to act condescending in pointing it out to me.

Regardless of my uneasiness regarding extradition I am still opposed to United States Law Enforcement Agencies operating in Canada.

Second half of the article?
Dude, what I quoted was in the freaking OP.

I was being condescending becasue you were making a pretty outrageous claim, without reading some of the most basic info on the subject.

[Reaper]

Originally Posted by Bring_Back_Shantz

Second half of the article?
Dude, what I quoted was in the freaking OP.

I was being condescending because you were making a pretty outrageous claim, without reading some of the most basic info on the subject.

I never click on spoiler buttons as they always spoil everything.

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by Senator Clay Davis

Whats wrong with this, though, to give you an answer, is that this will not be equal. We (the RCMP), will never be allowed to do the same things the Americans will be able to do here. If an RCMP officier arrests a US Citizen, I'd imagine there might one (or several million) Americans who would have a huge problem with that.

I am not so sure about that...seems like this will work both ways, but even if not, what difference does it make when the RCMP will be the authority and oversight of any US agents acting on Canadian soil?

Also, whose laws apply? If something is illegal in Canada, can a FBI agent really have the right to arrest and detain that person? It's not even their jurisdiction. We this we are in effect giving jurisdiction to a foreign government. Does that seem right to you?

As stated clearly in the article, the hosting countries laws are the ones followed.

Any federal agent from the US can make an arrest, but the Canadian contingent would assume the due process of things.

Again, this has been occuring already on joint waterways between the 2 countries, this is merely extending it onto land. obviously there are different obstacles but thats what they are attempting to address.

A whole lot of sabre rattling about this from many, but with what information is out there right now....it seems thats its all a very minor thing. More than anything it reads like the Canadians want to use the far larger resources offered by the US to help keep the border safe and secure. Not sure why anyone would have an issue with that.

[Fire]

The anti-American crowd sure came out to rant in this thread.

[octothorp]

Originally Posted by Fire

The anti-American crowd sure came out to rant in this thread.

So you think everyone would have been okay with this is if it was about Mexican authorities, or Japanese authorities, or British authorities? Seems to me that about 95% of the objections were in regards to Canadian sovereignty, not about any issues with the US.

I don't really have an opinion on this until I hear more details than what's contained in the article, but trying to pass off the objections as anti-americanism is really misrepresenting what the debate is about here.

[To Be Quite Honest]

Originally Posted by Fire

The anti-American crowd sure came out to rant in this thread.

[RougeUnderoos]

Originally Posted by transplant99

I am not so sure about that...seems like this will work both ways, but even if not, what difference does it make when the RCMP will be the authority and oversight of any US agents acting on Canadian soil?

Well if it's a good idea, it's a good idea. If it's good for them to come here and "share resources" or whatever, it must be good for us. What possible objection could they have?

Originally Posted by transplant99

A whole lot of sabre rattling about this from many, but with what information is out there right now....it seems thats its all a very minor thing. More than anything it reads like the Canadians want to use the far larger resources offered by the US to help keep the border safe and secure. Not sure why anyone would have an issue with that.

"Far larger resources" and "border safe and secure" sound nice, but lets not forget that this law enforcement will be coming from a country with a significantly worse crime rate than ours, 2.3 million people in the slammer, a gun violence problem, and a severe illegal immigration problem.

It just doesn't seem like they are doing a bang-up job in their own backyard. We are doing better, in fact.

[Montana Moe]

Originally Posted by Locke

Not to mention, Canada? Seriously? I think if they want to stem a lot of their problems their attention should probably be turned south....

That's what you'd like them to do, isn't it?

[GreenLantern2814]

Whatever concerns we have as a country about our abilities to enforce ournown laws, they must absolutely be addressed solely from within. You cannot outsource the police.

And frankly, the only really scary parts of this country are certain parts of downtown metro areas. How is the FBI going to help with that?

[PIMking]

Originally Posted by SeeBass

slippery slope

do they have to hand in their guns when they cross the border? or will there be a day when US cops have a shootout on our streets

Or will they shut down Toronto for a 19 year old kid and have a shootout with said kid when he didn't have a gun on him?

[kirant]

Originally Posted by Cowperson

It seems apparent this is about co-operating on border area policing.

It doesn't seem to be about an FBI agent operating 500 miles from the USA border or an RCMP officer working in Alabama.

It looks like it would be tightly confined to a specific purpose.

You'd have to see the details to make a final judgment, but I didn't see anything in the articles that would bother me too much.

Cowperson

This was my first reaction too.

There's a great deal of communication and trust between the RCMP and American police departments. I think there's no doubt for Americans that if they asked for an extradition request for a person or needed the RCMP to act on a certain person, Canada would commit and vise versa.

The point of it seems to be to allow for special operations (such as the bombing threats, addressed in the article) and border crossing.

The issue that I imagine most people have with this is the potential for abuse. At what point do we say too many FBI/DEA members are too many? What number RCMP in the US is too many? When does it remove the concept of trusting their neighbour to do the job?

Also, comment sections of articles still hurt my brain.

[longsuffering]

Originally Posted by Fire

The anti-giving up Canadian soverignty crowd sure came out to rant in this thread.

fyp

[rubecube]

If this is an anti-terrorism measure, that's one thing, but we really don't need the American "War on Drugs" being brought to our soil, despite how much Harper and the Conservatives seem to want it.

[SeeBass]

I think they should be allowed to come into Canada but only if they crawl through the XL Pipeline to get in.

[Kavvy]

Originally Posted by SeeBass

I think they should be allowed to come into Canada but only if they crawl through the XL Pipeline to get in.

Pipeline fully operational with oil flowing towards the states?

[Canehdianman]

I would be against it, as American officers would have little or no knowledge of Canadian criminal law (What is a Charter?!?!)

That being said, most police officers in Canada seem to have little to no knowledge of Canadian criminal law either, so maybe it's not as bad I fear.

[ken0042]

Originally Posted by rubecube

If this is an anti-terrorism measure, that's one thing, but we really don't need the American "War on Drugs" being brought to our soil, despite how much Harper and the Conservatives seem to want it.

I really don't see this as any sort of the thing that some of you guys are concerned about. What I really think is that these agencies already do investigations on Canadian soil; and this new law would just mean they don't need a Canadian police officer to shadow them the entire time in case they need to make an arrest.

I don't know for sure, but I would think an American FBI agent wouldn't even be able to make a citizen's arrest in Canada. To me- it seems like that is the level of power we are giving them; citizen's arrest power in certain parts of the country.