TSN’s Bob MacKenzie says Craig MacTavish’s bold move could be trading 1st pick

[the_only_turek_fan]

Originally Posted by Mango

If you ever run into Glencross, you should ask him what he thinks of the Oilers.

Have you ever asked him?!?!?!

[ricardodw]

Compare what Hall/Eberle have done for the Oiler's franchise to what Tavares has done for the Islanders.....

[Kaine]

Iginla want's to win a cup, even if he does win one this year I suspect he, like most hockey players would want to win it again.

Ignoring the fact that he likely hates the oilers now due to nearly 2 decades of hating them, why would he sign with the laughing stock of the league? Even if they offered massive overpayment, I'm sure a few teams that sucked just a little bit less would be willing to do the same.

I would be fairly surprised if he didn't sign a very reasonable contract with a contender regardless of if he wins his cup this year or not.

That said I look forward to the Oilers annual "We are good" talk followed by the fall in the standings that must set some sort of record for being terrible all the way to another lottery pick.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by Resolute 14

There is no circumstance in which I would make a trade with Edmonton. One of Sutter's greatest blunders as GM was breaking that rule.

That being said, Edmonton isn't going to take Gio and the 26-30th pick for a top five. They could do better (theoretically).

Personally I don't care about the semantics of dealing with the Oilers. Business is business and you do whatever you have to to improve your team.

I don't think it would happen because the Flames probably have Gio pegged for captain but the Oilers lack an all around guy like Geo and as a Flames fan I wouldn't want to give up more than that because if they say take Nurse with that pick there's no guarantee he becomes any better of a player than Gio and you also lose possibly a good player at the end of round one. I don't believe the Oilers are going to fetch a better defenseman than Gio that's still in his prime for that pick personally.

[Oil Stain]

Originally Posted by ricardodw

Compare what Hall/Eberle have done for the Oiler's franchise to what Tavares has done for the Islanders.....

Tavares

09-10- 26th
10-11- 27th
11-12- 27th
12-13- 12th

Hall
10-11- 30th
11-12- 29th
12-13- 26th
13-14- ???

[Kaine]

Originally Posted by Oil Stain

Tavares

09-10- 26th
10-11- 27th
11-12- 27th
12-13- 12th

Hall
10-11- 30th
11-12- 29th
12-13- 26th
13-14- ???

Are we starting the Oilers will be good this (next) year post already? Seems a little soon to expect more than a lottery pick for a team that really has that on lock down but I suppose.

[Galakanokis]

Not sure what their move will be but Edmonton has pieces they can move including that 1st and one of their young stars. If I'm Edmonton I'm looking to see what I get for that 1st and Eberle. St.Louis would be a good target as their blue line right now looks filthy. Polak, Shattenkirk could be had potentially.

[Resolute 14]

Originally Posted by Kaine

Are we starting the Oilers will be good this (next) year post already? Seems a little soon to expect more than a lottery pick for a team that really has that on lock down but I suppose.

You're missing the point. Ricardodw's rather poorly thought out point was to argue Hall/Eberle suck because Tavares' team is in the playoffs this year. Oil Stain validly points out that the Islanders weren't much better in his first three seasons than the Oilers have been in Hall's first three. It is not a valid comparison.

Any which way you slice it though, it's a dumb comparison in the first place. There are about 30 guys who make up an NHL team over the course of a typical season. One player, no matter how great, can't overcome a collection of slugs for teammates.

[Kaine]

Originally Posted by Resolute 14

You're missing the point. Ricardodw's rather poorly thought out point was to argue Hall/Eberle suck because Tavares' team is in the playoffs this year. Oil Stain validly points out that the Islanders weren't much better in his first three seasons than the Oilers have been in Hall's first three. It is not a valid comparison.

Any which way you slice it though, it's a dumb comparison in the first place. There are about 30 guys who make up an NHL team over the course of a typical season. One player, no matter how great, can't overcome a collection of slugs for teammates.

Fair enough and I do agree, still tho, one could make the point that the Oilers were a much better team (on paper at least) then what Tavares had to work with.

[neo45]

They should trade Yakupov, not the first round pick. They could use a guy like Monahan more than the soft and selfish Russian winger

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by neo45

They should trade Yakupov, not the first round pick. They could use a guy like Monahan more than the soft and selfish Russian winger

I don't like him personally but to be fair he's been the only guy down the stretch that has played hard and shown some desire to win. Maybe they need more players like him and less like Eberle, Gagner, and RNH. Or just maybe he hasn't been around long enough to get infected by the loser mentality.

[Robbob]

The problem with trading one of their turks instead of a pick is they need to develop that pick and that player may not help as much as a established player. They need help right now. In the long run it may be better (if the drafted player is developed properly), but that step back may be another lost season and another pair of ELC contracts expired.

[Azhouse]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

I don't like him personally but to be fair he's been the only guy down the stretch that has played hard and shown some desire to win. Maybe they need more players like him and less like Eberle, Gagner, and RNH. Or just maybe he hasn't been around long enough to get infected by the loser mentality.

I agree. I have been impressed with Nail. Flip the Nuge before his slight frame, narrow shoulders and mounting injury issues make him untradeable.

[cznTiburon]

Originally Posted by ricardodw

Compare Toews and Kane's first 3 years to Eberle's and Hall's.

Toews and Kane were in their 3rd year when they won 2 rounds in the playoffs.

They won the SC the next year.

That is what is supposed to happen when 2 franchise calibre players join the team at the same time.

If Eberle or Hall (currently clearly the best of Edmonton's stars) were anywhere as good as their press clippings there would be no way the Oilers would be drafting top 3 for the year after they started...... never mind 3 consecutive years.

The Oliers have made absolutely no improvement since these guys joined the team.

Their failure is monumental. There is almost no chance that these guys will be the cornerstone of a winning franchise......

YET they are getting paid 6M / year for the next 6 years each almost the identical contracts that Toews and Kane got after their 3rd year.


I am counting on the Flames up-coming first pick to contribute to the Flames winning over the next 3 years than Hall/Eberle have done...... in fact it would be hard to see the Flames being led by Baertschi/Backlund and this years #1 being anywhere as close to as bad as the Hall/Eberle/RNH led oilers.

To be fair Chicago did have 2 stud defencemen and some quality depth. Edmonton will never have a chance at a cup if they continue to put forward a defence where smid and Whitney are your best

[ricardodw]

Originally Posted by Resolute 14

You're missing the point. Ricardodw's rather poorly thought out point was to argue Hall/Eberle suck because Tavares' team is in the playoffs this year. Oil Stain validly points out that the Islanders weren't much better in his first three seasons than the Oilers have been in Hall's first three. It is not a valid comparison.

Any which way you slice it though, it's a dumb comparison in the first place. There are about 30 guys who make up an NHL team over the course of a typical season. One player, no matter how great, can't overcome a collection of slugs for teammates.

Name the other players that the islanders have added to help out Tavares. None come to mind and no one has the sizzle of the Edmonton fab 5.

In Edmonton Hall has Eberle, RHN, Yakopov...as well already being having Gagner,Hemsky,Horcoff and they have been about 10 points BEHIND the Islanders each year up until now when they are 13 behind in the half season.

Would you trade the Flames 1st pick year (6th or 7th overall) for Hall, Eberle, Yakopov or RHN or Gagner??

Better still would you trade Mackinnon, Jones or Drouin even up for any one of these guys?

at some point you have to stop and look at results rather than spin.

[bubbsy]

oilers unwillingness to move guys out has to stop, and if they do it right, they'll be a pretty good team soon:
- gagner
- 1st/2nd rounders
- yakupov
- hemsky

they could build some pretty solid packages that i'm sure teams would be willing to bite on.

bringing in size in their top 6 (lucic, simmonds, hartnell type guys).

Heck, they could entice team's to even give up their #1 dmen for assets like these (ie. what would it take to get weber out of nashville - would u do it for yakupov, hemsky and a 1st)?

[ricardodw]

Originally Posted by bubbsy

oilers unwillingness to move guys out has to stop, and if they do it right, they'll be a pretty good team soon:
- gagner
- 1st/2nd rounders
- yakupov
- hemsky

they could build some pretty solid packages that i'm sure teams would be willing to bite on.

bringing in size in their top 6 (lucic, simmonds, hartnell type guys).

Heck, they could entice team's to even give up their #1 dmen for assets like these (ie. what would it take to get weber out of nashville - would u do it for yakupov, hemsky and a 1st)?

For Weber this year's first (not messed by by the Oilers) and at least Eberle or Hall would have to be included.


If Hemsky is included in a deal Edmonton would have to add next year's first to get the other team to take him.

Would you trade Tanguay for Hemsky?

Stempniak has more value than Hemsky.


The Flames could go Baertschi,Stempniak and this years first for Weber....and get turned down.

[albertGQ]

Weber won't be trading after how much Nashville paid him in his first 12 months of his contract

[OzSome]

Originally Posted by SportsJunky

I've heard a few people mention Iginla could end up in Edmonton this summer. Unfathomable.

Wow, if that happens I can see Iginla being the Calgary Flames all time favorite and become the #1 enemy at Flames Nation. I sure Iggy wouldn't even consider it.

[Hockey_Ninja]

Chris Butler is very underrated Craig. Do it!