The draft lottery is still a joke

[LouCypher]

Im kinda actually surprised about how hard it is to tank....since the deadline and with all the injuries are lineup has been absolutely depleted. They played Macdonald on many nights when you would think Kipper would draw in and yet they still have a harder time losing games with a worse lineup then they did with their season starting lineup.

When you know your season is done, your farm team is done, you have major injuries and your direction is to go with more youth what else would be expected for the last few games? Time to give guys a good long look, they had next to no training camp to come up and compete for spots, no exhibition games so seeing more baby Flames now could also be looked upon as trying to make up for everything else that was missed this year. Its a very key off season for many of our younger palyers so they really need this time to learn and understand what they will have to do to make the team next year.

[puckedoff]

Originally Posted by LouCypher

Im kinda actually surprised about how hard it is to tank....since the deadline and with all the injuries are lineup has been absolutely depleted. They played Macdonald on many nights when you would think Kipper would draw in and yet they still have a harder time losing games with a worse lineup then they did with their season starting lineup.

When you know your season is done, your farm team is done, you have major injuries and your direction is to go with more youth what else would be expected for the last few games? Time to give guys a good long look, they had next to no training camp to come up and compete for spots, no exhibition games so seeing more baby Flames now could also be looked upon as trying to make up for everything else that was missed this year. Its a very key off season for many of our younger palyers so they really need this time to learn and understand what they will have to do to make the team next year.

Found new respect for the Oilers I guess....

[LouCypher]

Originally Posted by puckedoff

Found new respect for the Oilers I guess....

It takes a lot of effort and indifference to want to tank, hats off to them for not wanting to win, one less team to climb over....oh wait they fell behind us.

[Iggy Snipe]

Guys, scratching the players the Flames did is not a big deal. Its not like there a bunch of super stars. Let the young guns play, players are now playing for their jobs next season. Why waste useless games on vets when the games mean nothing.

[wpgflamesfan]

Originally Posted by _Q_

Honestly, what's wrong with the idea?

Obviously there would be more rules than there are in Europe, ie. Players can only be signed as 18 year olds and teams must follow certain salary cap regulations, etc.

I actually think this could work if you:

Eliminate RFA status (everyone goes UFA when their contracts are up)

Eliminate entry level deals (since some teams will have to use money to lure these players)

Set up a lower age bound to sign players

Keep the salary cap.

[Jables16]

There should be factors included in the calculation of the odds to discourage chronic tanking similar to the lottery held when the 04-05 season was lost. Also, the Oilers (or any team that has had three previous #1 picks) should not be eligible to win the lottery.

[pylon]

I think the best way to do it, is simply by who was mathematically eliminated 1st, gets the best odds, 2nd gets the 2nd best odds..... and so on. That was there wont be this 10-15 game tank fest we are seeing right now.

[d_phaneuf]

Originally Posted by puckluck2

Players coming off the bench or actual regulars being scratched?

Maybe it does happen as I do follow the NBA, but not as closely as the NHL.

NBA is the worst league for tanking by far

[puckluck2]

Originally Posted by diane_phaneuf

NBA is the worst league for tanking by far

The Spurs were fined $250,000 for sitting out regulars. (Thanks to whoever pointed that out earlier in this thread). At least they're doing something about it.

[powderjunkie]

Originally Posted by pylon

I think the best way to do it, is simply by who was mathematically eliminated 1st, gets the best odds, 2nd gets the 2nd best odds..... and so on. That was there wont be this 10-15 game tank fest we are seeing right now.

Not a bad idea, but that can also be influenced by how good the top 8 in a conference are. It wouldn't necessarily be a significant impact, but a lot of years the top 8 in the East are clear very early, so their last place team is out first, even if Edmonton/Columbus were worse, but tight battles from 7th-12th kept the 8th place points lower...

[d_phaneuf]

Originally Posted by puckluck2

The Spurs were fined $250,000 for sitting out regulars. (Thanks to whoever pointed that out earlier in this thread). At least they're doing something about it.

that wasn't tanking, that was due to travel and was basically Popovich giving the NBA an FU for ridiculous travel

it was also in November had nothing to do with tanking

only reason the fine happened was because it was a national tv game

http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/86...itting-players

[nickerjones]

Originally Posted by puckluck2

The Spurs were fined $250,000 for sitting out regulars. (Thanks to whoever pointed that out earlier in this thread). At least they're doing something about it.

but it wasn't to tank, it was to rest their star players. The Spurs were playing their 4th game in their 5th night and 6th game on the road trip. The coach sent 3 players home on a commercial flight instead of suiting them up in a nationally televised game vs the heat. The game was also in November. This particular NBA thing is completely different than tanking for a better draft pick. The fine was stupid and the commissioner was apologizing to the fans of Miami bc they didnt get to see Ginobli, Duncan, or Tony Parker.... BOOO HOOO! It's not like they dont have Lebron etc to see every night geesh.

Diane beat me to it.

[Mister Yamoto]

I think at the 2013 draft, the Flames and Oilers should swap 2014 first round draft picks.

[gunnner]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

You are correct although the NBA isn't exactly the high bar for professional sports. That's as fixed a league as there is in North America.

MLB teams do it for the entire month of September every year. So thats NHL, NBA, and MLB. 3 out of the 4 leagues in North America are a joke I guess by that logic.

[KAI]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

Take a look at the two lineups the Flames and Predators are showcasing thonight and try to come up with an educated reason they are not tanking to get a higher pick in July. The talent evaluation angle works to an extent but you can't sugar coat what his happening here. I want one of these high and mighty posters that like to make these high on the horse posts berating others for having a different opinion and simply observing what has transpired over the past few weeks in the NHL. Please explain to the peasants your vast knowledge of how the NHL works because I have news for you. Tanking is real.

You are one "High and Mighty" peasant.

[_Q_]

Originally Posted by wpgflamesfan

I actually think this could work if you:

Eliminate RFA status (everyone goes UFA when their contracts are up)

Eliminate entry level deals (since some teams will have to use money to lure these players)

Set up a lower age bound to sign players

Keep the salary cap.

Not a bad idea actually, but after some thought, I would maybe go another direction.

Get rid of the draft.

Players 18 years of age or older can sign with any team that they like.

Keep the ELC rules as they are.

This is where it gets interesting and possibly can guarantee some sort of parity that we love here in North America.

All teams that don't qualify for playoffs are allowed to sign 1 18 year old to a huge signing bonus that counts against the upcoming year's cap whether or not that player is on the roster. Bottom 5 teams are allowed an extra huge signing bonus without that extra one affecting the cap.

This way, teams address exactly what they need, it takes the randomness out of the draft and actually encourages good team management. It also encourages parity to an extent, gives players options of where they feel their career would do the best and I feel would help speed up some rebuilds.

So in my example, if Calgary finish out of the bottom five, they still have a chance to sign the top centres if those guys chose to play here. So the Flames can make a pitch to MacKinnon, Monahan, Lindholm and Barkov. Offer them that huge bonus, guarantee them top minutes, sell them on the team and the city and if one of the so choses to play for the Flames then that's awesome. On the other hand, a team like Toronto can go after those guys as well, but without the benifit of being able to dole out that bonus and without being able to guarantee top line minutes, they might now want to sign there, unless the player really loves the Leafs.

[MisterJoji]

Originally Posted by _Q_

Not a bad idea actually, but after some thought, I would maybe go another direction.

Get rid of the draft.

Players 18 years of age or older can sign with any team that they like.

Keep the ELC rules as they are.

This is where it gets interesting and possibly can guarantee some sort of parity that we love here in North America.

All teams that don't qualify for playoffs are allowed to sign 1 18 year old to a huge signing bonus that counts against the upcoming year's cap whether or not that player is on the roster. Bottom 5 teams are allowed an extra huge signing bonus without that extra one affecting the cap.

This way, teams address exactly what they need, it takes the randomness out of the draft and actually encourages good team management. It also encourages parity to an extent, gives players options of where they feel their career would do the best and I feel would help speed up some rebuilds.

So in my example, if Calgary finish out of the bottom five, they still have a chance to sign the top centres if those guys chose to play here. So the Flames can make a pitch to MacKinnon, Monahan, Lindholm and Barkov. Offer them that huge bonus, guarantee them top minutes, sell them on the team and the city and if one of the so choses to play for the Flames then that's awesome. On the other hand, a team like Toronto can go after those guys as well, but without the benifit of being able to dole out that bonus and without being able to guarantee top line minutes, they might now want to sign there, unless the player really loves the Leafs.

It's a nice thought, but would never happen mainly due to the fact that Columbus, Winnipeg, Florida, etc. would have almost no chance at the top young players. The draft enforces that those teams have a chance to build through youth since they are not prime FA signing cities.

[valo403]

Originally Posted by puckluck2

The Spurs were fined $250,000 for sitting out regulars. (Thanks to whoever pointed that out earlier in this thread). At least they're doing something about it.

Beaten to it, twice.

[TheGrimm]

I still maintain that moving the draft rankings to trade deadline day (not eliminating teams, just ranking) would be much more interesting down the stretch... Sure you could still be "out" of the playoff hunt but you can still win for pride. Playing spoiler would be way more fun if you weren't always concerned with hurting your draft.

[Walter Reed]

The greatest reason for many here on CP wishing that the draft would somehow change is the fact that the Oilers have been the benefactors of the existing system. PERIOD.
Had it been the Flames selecting first the past three years this thread would not exist on CP. Honest question; put the Flames in Florida's place this year and how many here would be advocating for a system change that would diminish the Flames chance of selecting 1st?