[PGT] Abottsford Flames Crush the Wild 4-1!

[dammage79]

/greentext comment here but it seems management has failed the fans yet again. Seems now it appears that what they needed to do to keep that top three pick in this draft was to not trade away anyone and sink with the crew they had.

We all know how much suck this team was when Iggy and Bouwmeester were here. They should have kept them here and tank by inaction.

[JayP]

Originally Posted by Dogbert

The posters who can't stop harping on how awful it is that we're winning games need to be specific about what it is they want the team to do in order to lose.

The Flames played a more-talented team that needed the win. They started the backup; had next to none of their key players in the lineup; and gave a bunch of rookies and AHLers all the ice time they could want, including 25 minutes to a defenseman playing his first NHL game. They won anyway. What more could they do not to win the game? Tell the players to score on their own net?

Is anyone accusing them of not doing everything they can? It's more just people venting about how the Flames quite frankly need to lose these games and them getting piled on about how they aren't real fans and that they should cheer for the Oilers. The Flames line-up (and their performance sans MacDonald) should've lost tonight- it's just frustrating that the Wild couldn't bury their chances and help us.

[Phanuthier]

Originally Posted by Hockey_Ninja

This is how i look at it as well. The Wild, Ducks and Wings should have beaten us. All three of them have superior rosters and yet they couldn't get the two points. If anyone should be mad it's should be those teams. You can't blame a young roster guys for going out their and trying.

True, trust me I dont blame the Flames for winning. Cant believe of of all the bottom teams in the NHL, everyone else is in full tank mode and on multiple game losing streaks, and we are on our hottest streak of the year.

[1stLand]

Iginla who?
Bouwmeester who?

[cubistcastle]

Originally Posted by Resolute 14

The... posters... who seek failure really should engage in a little so-called "intellectual honesty" of their own. This team was never bad enough to finish at the bottom of the league. You got your hopes up for no reason when the team went on an ungodly road losing streak that nobody should have expected could continue indefinitely.

Anyway, I'll now leave the floor to those who ruin every thread with their whining about how we won't get Jones or MacKinnon.

I wouldn't call it seeking failure. The Flames have already failed miserably this season and this team was definitely bad enough to finish at the bottom of the league at one point, you know, when they were at the bottom of the league. There is no doubt that this roster is over-performing right now. On paper, it is probably the worst roster in the league and if it stays the same for an extended period of time, I'm confident that it would live up to that.

Originally Posted by MisterJoji

Man, I just can't understand how some can actively cheer for losses and are upset with tonights win. I fully understand wanting a higher draft pick, but some of you are so hell bent on following the Oilers recent blueprint of a rebuild. An Oiler team that is as of now BELOW us in the standings. They have tonnes of skilled players, but they have all be raised in a franchise groomed to believe that failure is acceptable, and people wonder why they continue to be a joke. I absolutely loved the heart and effort displayed tonight, especially by our young guys. It's nice to see players who have some pride and compete hard. Give me those guys every night. No doubt we'll se some rookie mistakes but these games recently have been the funniest I've watched in years. Anyone who thinks this team should just coast until the end and not let failure bother them deserve to jump on the Oiler bandwagon. Pathetic.

Don't equate wanting a better draft pick with wanting to follow an Oiler-like path. The situation is simple: lose and get a higher draft pick to help the team in the long-term or win and be satisfied for now, but suffer for it in the future. It's a choice between valuing a high draft pick vs valuing the experience and "winning atmosphere" that the young players are being exposed to. One is a concrete resource that is highly likely to make this team better and the other is a vague, unproven sense of direction. To hope for the latter is short-sighted in my opinion.

[Locke]

Originally Posted by edn88

I wonder if the Hurricanes, Preds etc that are in a free fall are trying to tank, or if they are just not that good.

Carolina:

10/11 - 9th
11/12 - 12th
12/13 - 13th

Nashville

10/11 - 5th - Playoffs
11/12 - 4th - Playoffs
12/13 - 14th

I would wager that despite adding Jordan Staal the Hurricanes arent all that awesome. Cam Ward is definitely the lipstick in Raleigh much like Kipper was here.

Nashville however is clearly tanking. You dont get that kind of dropoff without something more severe than losing Suter. Watch, they'll probably be in the playoffs next year.

[VladtheImpaler]

Originally Posted by Dogbert

The posters who can't stop harping on how awful it is that we're winning games need to be specific about what it is they want the team to do in order to lose.

The Flames played a more-talented team that needed the win. They started the backup; had next to none of their key players in the lineup; and gave a bunch of rookies and AHLers all the ice time they could want, including 25 minutes to a defenseman playing his first NHL game. They won anyway. What more could they do not to win the game? Tell the players to score on their own net?

Don't get me wrong - I don't want the team to do anything else. Feaster has called up all the scrubs, so what else can he do? The young players will try hard - good for them. I am not mad at them or the GM (not for this anyhow).
I am just mad/frustrated, given the historical context. For a franchise that (almost) always finds a way to lose a must-win game, it is incredibly frustrating to win when winning can only hurt. This would be a lot easier to take if we didn't choke in all those playoff series, and must-win stretch-drive games...

[Flame Of Liberty]

Originally Posted by Dogbert

The posters who can't stop harping on how awful it is that we're winning games need to be specific about what it is they want the team to do in order to lose.

The Flames played a more-talented team that needed the win. They started the backup; had next to none of their key players in the lineup; and gave a bunch of rookies and AHLers all the ice time they could want, including 25 minutes to a defenseman playing his first NHL game. They won anyway. What more could they do not to win the game? Tell the players to score on their own net?

Put Irving in net, Anton and Butler your 1st pairing. Problem solved.

[puckluck2]

The future of this team will not depend on any one player.

We had a hall of fame player for over a decade and that didn't get us anywhere. This team needs to be built like a team through the draft whether it be first overall or the 29th pick.

[soreshins]

I'm loving our winning streak. Just because the draft system is broken doesn't mean we should sacrifice credibility to "win" it like the coilers. All you guys calling to deliberately lose probably cheated at games as kids. It's weasely behaviour and is a disgrace to paying fans. Let the chips fall where they may.



Draft system needs to be changed.

[Yoho]

Originally Posted by VladtheImpaler

Don't get me wrong - I don't want the team to do anything else. Feaster has called up all the scrubs, so what else can he do? The young players will try hard - good for them. I am not mad at them or the GM (not for this anyhow).
I am just mad/frustrated, given the historical context. For a franchise that (almost) always finds a way to lose a must-win game, it is incredibly frustrating to win when winning can only hurt. This would be a lot easier to take if we didn't choke in all those playoff series, and must-win stretch-drive games...

I hear what your saying, but those scrubs are beating virtually every team they play with hard work, energy, and passion. I would be more upset if the Flames stood pat were "buyers" at the draft deadline, doing this with 35-36 yr. olds.

It's unexpected but they are earning these wins against teams that have everything to play for. They deserve all the credit because I agree there is no way this should be happening

[Phanuthier]

Originally Posted by VladtheImpaler

Don't get me wrong - I don't want the team to do anything else. Feaster has called up all the scrubs, so what else can he do? The young players will try hard - good for them. I am not mad at them or the GM (not for this anyhow).
I am just mad/frustrated, given the historical context. For a franchise that (almost) always finds a way to lose a must-win game, it is incredibly frustrating to win when winning can only hurt. This would be a lot easier to take if we didn't choke in all those playoff series, and must-win stretch-drive games...

Ya thats how I feel. While the Oilers have a history or identity of perptual suckage, we have the history of being the anti-clutch team, the team that outside of 2004 cant win an important game (1st round facing elimination, playoff drives aka playoff dives, etc) but we rock pre-season and games when we are eliminated from the playoffs like nobodys business. We already endured almost a full season of suckage, it wouldnt change my outlook on the team if we continued to suck meaningless games...

Cant fault the players who are looking to earn jobs... but seriously how can teams like Nashville tank 7 games straight so easily...

[soreshins]

"Build through the draft! Build through the draft!"


Prospects come in and do well......,,


"WTF!!!! We are sooooo bad!!! must lose and build through the draft!!!!"

[Jbo]

Very happy to see the young guys play and get the win. Hard to be unhappy right now. Yes it screws up our draft position, but I'm hoping with the 3 1st round picks we can build a solid foundation of players.

Who knows, maybe the hockey gods reward us and we win the lottery.

[spiteface]

wtf STOP WINNING !!!!!!!!! this is ridiculous how are we gonna pick up one of the top 5 players at the draft this year.. seriously this team can't even lose properly. i dont care if we win or if our rookies score their first goal this year.... this year is a write-off and we need to tank it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[nik-]

Originally Posted by soreshins

"Build through the draft! Build through the draft!"


Prospects come in and do well......,,


"WTF!!!! We are sooooo bad!!! must lose and build through the draft!!!!"

That's not what people are saying, but carry on I guess.

[spiteface]

Originally Posted by soreshins

"Build through the draft! Build through the draft!"


Prospects come in and do well......,,


"WTF!!!! We are sooooo bad!!! must lose and build through the draft!!!!"

doing well when it counts is different... nobody is taking us seriously and with every win we lose out on a position at the draft. NO THANKS

[cubistcastle]

Keep in mind that the young guys have not been on the Flames for very long. It is nice to see them have success, but it's too early to judge their play in any meaningful way or expect them to play just as well next year.

[soreshins]

Originally Posted by nik-

That's not what people are saying, but carry on I guess.

No. It's pathetic and a disgrace to hockey and sport in general to desire a tank. Its the same as asking a boxer to take a dive. A pro sports team or athlete should try their best to win every game/match.



Well done baby flames.

[Mr.Coffee]

meh, win, lose, none of it really matters if you think about it. There's not even a sure-fire way of knowing whether picking the 6th guy or 7th guy will be a total bust compared to the 3rd guy or 4th.

Playing for pride is nice to see and considering it's been years since we've seen players play like they give a damn, I'll take any result right now and am just really enjoying watching the Flames and all the young players. It seems like we have some encouraging depth and I love the new direction the team has finally embraced.

Excited for the draft and a happy Flames fan overall, just hope they don't f up this 3rd jersey thing which may be a possibility, but otherwise things are good- win or lose. It's nice to not watch them with expectations.

to add- before the Iggy trade I'd basically stopped watching. Now I gladly switch on the games and find them way more entertaining.