Explosion at the Boston Marathon

[CaptainCrunch]

The fact that the doctors worked so hard and apparently felt bad when they lost the older brother tells me a lot about how many levels above these terrorists most people are.

Especially doctors who had probably seen the utter horrors that these two scumbags caused, and the lifetime of pain and debilitating injuries that they gleefully passed on to innocent people.

Personally I would have trouble not filling his stomach with bacon and injecting battery acid into his veins.

Or standing there and listening to him groan and cry while his pulse slows down and stops.

The older brother certainly didn't deserve the heroic measures that the doctors took to save his worthless life.

I wish nothing but a long life to the younger brother rotting alone in a 9x6 cell in some super max somewhere.

[MillerTime GFG]

Mr. and Mrs. MillerTime GFG are in the Calgary Herald for anyone that's interested. They're on the front page at calgaryherald.com and my Dad (Paul Miller) is interviewed. What a crazy week.

http://www.calgaryherald.com/news/ca...213/story.html

[Nage Waza]

Originally Posted by Cowperson

But as amateur online sleuths began identifying possible culprits, caught in the virtual manhunt were people who were wrongly accused or placed under suspicion by crowdsourcing. It showed the damage that digital investigators can cause and raised a relevant question: In the social-media generation, what does law enforcement unleash when, by implication, it deputizes the public for help?

"The FBI kind of opened the door," said Hanson R. Hosein, director of the University of Washington Master of Communication in Digital Media program. "It was almost like it was put up as challenge to them, and they rose to it. ... They can be either really helpful or mob rule."

The bombings have been the highest-profile case in which the public has joined an active investigation, using ever-evolving crowd-sourcing tools, showing the pitfalls and benefits of new technology. It's certainly not vigilantism, but it's not standard policing, either. It's something in the middle, perhaps something new - the law-enforcement equivalent of citizen journalism.

Read more here: http://www.star-telegram.com/2013/04...#storylink=cpy

Cowperson

We shouldn't forget the Vancouver riots...

[Devils'Advocate]

http://www.cbc.ca/news/health/story/...alth-cost.html

http://thinkprogress.org/health/2013...medical-costs/

Despite Romney-care and Obama-care, the victims are likely to suffer financially.

Prosthetics can cost up to $45,000 for adults and over $100,000 for children, who need to get them replaced several times as they continue to grow. Rehabilitation treatments for those who have lost limbs can run up $200 per hour. And even for those who were less seriously injured, the emergency room care they received in the immediate aftermath of the explosions could easily top $40,000.
It’s not yet clear who will foot those bills.

“In some other mass disasters, people have stepped up when it was terrorism. Employers will step up and say, ‘We’ve got you.’ Hospitals will say, ‘We’ve got you,’” said Miller. “The question is what happens in two years. What happens in four years. What happens in 25 years later when my prosthetic needs to be replaced?”

[Flashpoint]

Originally Posted by Cowperson

But as amateur online sleuths began identifying possible culprits, caught in the virtual manhunt were people who were wrongly accused or placed under suspicion by crowdsourcing. It showed the damage that digital investigators can cause and raised a relevant question: In the social-media generation, what does law enforcement unleash when, by implication, it deputizes the public for help?

"The FBI kind of opened the door," said Hanson R. Hosein, director of the University of Washington Master of Communication in Digital Media program. "It was almost like it was put up as challenge to them, and they rose to it. ... They can be either really helpful or mob rule."

The bombings have been the highest-profile case in which the public has joined an active investigation, using ever-evolving crowd-sourcing tools, showing the pitfalls and benefits of new technology. It's certainly not vigilantism, but it's not standard policing, either. It's something in the middle, perhaps something new - the law-enforcement equivalent of citizen journalism.

Read more here: http://www.star-telegram.com/2013/04...#storylink=cpy

Cowperson

BBC - How Internet Detectives got it Wrong

No, these sleuths were working in public - discussing their theories and "leads" within massive communities such as Reddit, 4Chan, Facebook and Twitter.

On Friday, those efforts ended with an apology. After hours of chatter and speculation, the standout suspect identified - and named - was the wrong man.

"I'd like to extend the deepest apologies to the family of Sunil Tripathi for any part we may have had in relaying what has turned out to be faulty information," wrote Reddit user Rather_Confused.

Nice of him to apologize from behind his Internet Handle.

The New Statesman went as far as to call it a "racist Where's Wally", with the suggestion that there was emphasis on pointing out non-whites among the crowds.

One "suspect" was 17-year-old Salah Barhoun, described on Reddit simply as Blue Robe Man thanks to the tracksuit top he had worn.

Users posted information relating to his whereabouts, and pointing out the "sagging" in a shoulder bag he was holding - a sign, some thought, that he was carrying something heavy.

Not that this rests utterly on the shoulders of the internet. Well, I guess the stupid poop splatters when the s hits the fan.

Hours later, the same pictures that had circulated on Reddit and 4Chan found their way to the front page of the New York Post.

Under the headline "bag men", Mr Barhoun and a friend were said to be wanted for questioning - but the tabloid added: "There is no direct evidence linking them to the crime."

Slow applause.

With each suspect, a rush to find their real identities - and in some cases, social media profiles and groups were peppered with threatening messages.

[Flashpoint]

Originally Posted by Devils'Advocate

http://www.cbc.ca/news/health/story/...alth-cost.html
The question is what happens in two years. What happens in four years. What happens in 25 years later when my prosthetic needs to be replaced?”

You pay for it.

And unless up till now you've been strongly backing the idea of a public option you don't get to complain about it either.

[Cowperson]

London Marathon took place today . . . . . 36,000 runners, 650,000 spectators.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/...4b4_story.html

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/oth...terrorism.html

Cowperson

[longsuffering]

Originally Posted by fotze

I think they should leak a release about how the brothers had phenomenally small penii. Smallest officials have ever seen. And that they both had butt plugs in their arseholes when they found them. Gigantic Jewish circumsized buttplugs.

Muslim's circumsize as well.

[longsuffering]

I'm a bit surprised this isn't part of the discussion.

Gun fatalities exceeded 30,000 per year and terror fatalities totaled about 3,400 since 1970, yet we treat acts of terror with an understanding that we will do anything to stop it but don't react the same way for gun violence. Chris Hayes looks at the comparison on a day when the gun bill went down to defeat.

http://video.msnbc.msn.com/all-in-/51577097#51577097

[Cowperson]

WASHINGTON (AP) — Surveillance video from the Boston Marathon attack shows one suspect dropping his backpack and calmly walking away from it before the bomb inside exploded, Massachusetts Gov. Deval Patrick said Sunday.

The video clearly puts 19-year-old Dzhokhar Tsarnaev at the scene of the attack, Patrick said on NBC’s ‘‘Meet the Press.’’

‘‘It does seem to be pretty clear that this suspect took the backpack off, put it down, did not react when the first explosion went off and then moved away from the backpack in time for the second explosion,’’ Patrick said. ‘‘It’s pretty clear about his involvement and pretty chilling, frankly.’’

Patrick said he hadn’t viewed the videotape but had been briefed by law enforcement officials about it.

http://www.boston.com/news/nation/20...6LI/story.html

Cowperson

[Violator]

Originally Posted by Cowperson

London Marathon took place today . . . . . 36,000 runners, 650,000 spectators.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/...4b4_story.html

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/oth...terrorism.html

Cowperson

Vancouver Sun Run is today to 48,196 people participating
http://home.mytelus.com/telusen/port...CatID=National

[FlameOn]

Originally Posted by longsuffering

I'm a bit surprised this isn't part of the discussion.

http://video.msnbc.msn.com/all-in-/51577097#51577097

The media's really going to cover what brings the most viewership and since 9/11 what brings in the most viewers is what scares people the most... terrorism. Americans lose their minds over Muslims, extremists and terrorists because it's something that they don't understand, can't really relate to and control. It almost seems like they aren't as scare of gun violence since they can just buy guns to protect themselves against the gun problem.

Also the gun lobby in the US and special interests money flooding the US government. Great idea not having mandatory background checks for automatic weapons purchases.

[jayswin]

Originally Posted by Devils'Advocate

http://www.cbc.ca/news/health/story/...alth-cost.html

http://thinkprogress.org/health/2013...medical-costs/

Despite Romney-care and Obama-care, the victims are likely to suffer financially.

When people compain about wait times in Canada, I just read things like this and realize how much worse it could be.

Fox News: Sure, Americans pay tens, sometimes hundreds of thousands of dollars for unexpected medical bills, that force many of them to declare bankruptcy and lose their house. But thank god we don't have the Candian health care system where people sometimes wait for a few hours to be seen. What a disaster up there.

[Azure]

I absolutely hate it when people tell Canadians in general we have it good because look at the American system, and how it sucks.

We all know that.

But its not fun sitting in the waiting room for 3 hours when you cut your finger off. Which happened to a friend of mine the other day.

Sure its nice not having to go bankrupt because I have a $50k medical bill, but the Canadian system needs a lot of help too.

[FlamesAddiction]

Probably already posted somewhere, but I thought this was pretty cool:

http://video.nhl.com/videocenter/con...241045&lang=en

[MrMastodonFarm]

Originally Posted by Azure

I absolutely hate it when people tell Canadians in general we have it good because look at the American system, and how it sucks.

We all know that.

But its not fun sitting in the waiting room for 3 hours when you cut your finger off. Which happened to a friend of mine the other day.

Sure its nice not having to go bankrupt because I have a $50k medical bill, but the Canadian system needs a lot of help too.

He waited three hours... and got his mother effing finger re-attached... for free!

Not a bad price for three hours.

[HOOT]

Unless he died or lost his finger I don't see the problem. I'm sure it was a terrible experience but I doubt your friend would have been willing to pay the $20,000-80,000 out of pocket to have it reattached.

[Azure]

Originally Posted by MrMastodonFarm

He waited three hours... and got his mother effing finger re-attached... for free!

Not a bad price for three hours.

Originally Posted by HOOT

Unless he died or lost his finger I don't see the problem. I'm sure it was a terrible experience but I doubt your friend would have been willing to pay the $20,000-80,000 out of pocket to have it reattached.

This attitude grates me even more.

Since when it is okay for someone with a pretty significant injury to sit in a waiting room for 3 hours? Are we so far gone that we don't care if people sit in the waiting room for hours on end anymore because they get free health care?

Because that is the reason nothing is changed.

I absolutely dread emergency situations because there is almost a guaranteed 3-6 hour waiting list for anything other than a life/death situation.

But no, lets keep ignoring the obvious problems. Cut your finger off? 3 hour wait. Need 5 measly stitches? 6 hour wait. Possible concussion and head trauma? 7 hour wait.

In the meantime, health care officials take taxpayer funded trips to the US for consultations that most normal people can't afford.

Always nice.

[Nage Waza]

Originally Posted by longsuffering

I'm a bit surprised this isn't part of the discussion.
http://video.msnbc.msn.com/all-in-/51577097#51577097

Oh don't worry, as long as there is Islamic terrorism someone will either mention other causes of death that killed more or Israel.

I am sure you knew that.

The difference, as you also know, is that what happened in Boston was meant to terrorize the entire nation. It was an act of war. An act of war that seems to come from the other side of the planet. The gun deaths in the US are a part of a different battle the US is involved in.

[MrMastodonFarm]

Originally Posted by Azure

Since when it is okay for someone with a pretty significant injury to sit in a waiting room for 3 hours?

When you get all that crazy expensive hospital attention... for free.

Waiting sucks but I always get a chuckle out of wait time complaints.