I don't have a problem with it, yeah you could argue he was slightly excessive, minor suspension is an acceptable reprimand. (without knowing this officers discipline history,)
If a police officer is arresting you, it is not a negotiation, do what they say or be prepared to have some level of force used on you.
inb4 every police hating nitwit chimes in with their 2 cents.
Damnit, I was just going to post something clever like:
"inb4 any nitwit chimes in" but I just missed it.
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I don't have a problem with it, yeah you could argue he was slightly excessive, minor suspension is an acceptable reprimand. (without knowing this officers discipline history,)
If a police officer is arresting you, it is not a negotiation, do what they say or be prepared to have some level of force used on you.
inb4 every police hating nitwit chimes in with their 2 cents.
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Clearly he's a threat to the officer. Both his hands were formed to make a shape of a gun.
I can't believe unions could support such a ######. Don't officers realize in the long run such actions only create more resistance by the public? I sometimes wish such idiots got coldcocked by bystanders just to show them how it feels.
Damnit, I was just going to post something clever like:
"inb4 any nitwit chimes in" but I just missed it.
That's okay, just take a break and come back when you think of something to say.
People's reactions to minor use of force like this amuses me. People act like the officer did something like beat the guy unconscious or something, he kicked/kneed the man in the torso, when did everyone become such a wimp? Was it excessive? Yeah, probably a little bit, hence the minor suspension.
Police officers work a job that is high stress, they have to operate in constantly new and difficult circumstances and are usually dealing with people who are less than compliant (criminals, drunks, ect). There are always going to be situations where officers make mistakes and cross the line of what is acceptable. Given the circumstances of their job they deserve a little bit of lee way as long as they are acting in good faith.
If you people don't understand that fact, or people choose to be willfully ignorant so you can continue hating the police, it is their right to do that, but their will always be people that understand the difficult work that the police do and accept mistakes will happen.
That's okay, just take a break and come back when you think of something to say.
People's reactions to minor use of force like this amuses me. People act like the officer did something like beat the guy unconscious or something, he kicked/kneed the man in the torso, when did everyone become such a wimp? Was it excessive? Yeah, probably a little bit, hence the minor suspension.
Police officers work a job that is high stress, they have to operate in constantly new and difficult circumstances and are usually dealing with people who are less than compliant (criminals, drunks, ect). There are always going to be situations where officers make mistakes and cross the line of what is acceptable. Given the circumstances of their job they deserve a little bit of lee way as long as they are acting in good faith.
If you people don't understand that fact, or people choose to be willfully ignorant so you can continue hating the police, it is their right to do that, but their will always be people that understand the difficult work that the police do and accept mistakes will happen.
You really need to watch that video again. I think it is you that is being willfully ignorant.
I'd like to see the 20 minutes leading up to when this 1 minute video was shot; before forming an opinion.
It doesn't matter. When someone is told to get down on the ground, they do, and then they are tackled and booted in the ribs after being subdued, it's excessive.
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that's okay, just take a break and come back when you think of something to say.
People's reactions to minor use of force like this amuses me. People act like the officer did something like beat the guy unconscious or something, he kicked/kneed the man in the torso, when did everyone become such a wimp? Was it excessive? Yeah, probably a little bit, hence the minor suspension.
Police officers work a job that is high stress, they have to operate in constantly new and difficult circumstances and are usually dealing with people who are less than compliant (criminals, drunks, ect). There are always going to be situations where officers make mistakes and cross the line of what is acceptable. Given the circumstances of their job they deserve to be held to the standard of the law.
If you people don't understand that fact, or people choose to be willfully ignorant so you can continue hating the police, it is their right to do that, but their will always be people that understand the difficult work that the police do and accept mistakes will happen.
I would say regardless of what either person did in this situation, neither deserved to be kicked in the ribs by the police. The second guy was complying, so there was no need for the excessive take down.
I don't have a problem with it, yeah you could argue he was slightly excessive, minor suspension is an acceptable reprimand. (without knowing this officers discipline history,)
If a police officer is arresting you, it is not a negotiation, do what they say or be prepared to have some level of force used on you.
inb4 every police hating nitwit chimes in with their 2 cents.
It doesn't matter. When someone is told to get down on the ground, they do, and then they are tackled and booted in the ribs after being subdued, it's excessive.
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Relevance? You don't get to excuse excessive force based on something that happened 20 minutes ago.
Well thankfully the judge looked at all the evidence, not just a few seconds of a one minute clip.
From June 2012:
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Lawyers for the two officers suggest their clients were working in an environment laid out by the city's police chief and mayor to get tough with rowdy drunks in and clean up Victoria's downtown.
Constable Jessica Mcleod testified she was with Bowser, Robinson and two reserve officers when they arrived outside the Social Club on March 21st 2010.
Mcleod says the three officers were outnumbered as they walked into the middle of a fight. The officer recalls one man on the ground being kicked in the head in the melee.
The constable testified as the officers tried to stop the brawl, she was concerned situation would get out of hand --
Const. Chris Bowser thought he did the right thing when he arrested Tyler Archer during a drunken brawl on Store Street more than three years ago, says his lawyer.
“He now entirely accepts that he didn’t,” Dennis Murray said Friday before a disciplinary hearing at the Police Complaints Commission.
“He erred and he accepts it. But he was not acting out of malice or any desire to cause harm. There was no anger associated with his actions that night.”
Last week, adjudicator Ben Casson found Bowser abused his authority by using excessive force on Archer, then a 21-year old Claremont Secondary School graduate who played for the Junior Shamrocks lacrosse team. The kicking and kneeing incident was captured on video and posted to YouTube, where it has drawn thousands of views.
Murray and public hearing counsel Michael Tammen made a joint submission to Casson, recommending that Bowser receive a two-day suspension without pay, six hours of use-of-force training, and participate in an anger-management assessment.
Casson will announce on April 19 what discipline Bowser will face.
“Two days is a significant suspension. There’s no question about that,” said Tammen, who considers as aggravating factors Bowser’s role as a supervisor that night and the areas of Archer’s body that were targeted.
I abhor violence and certainly am not condoning his actions. I do believe though we need to look at the larger picture of what police officers face in a given situation.
I abhor violence and certainly am not condoning his actions. I do believe though we need to look at the larger picture of what police officers face in a given situation.
Wow after reading the judge say he used excessive force you are "thankful" he looked at all the evidence?
That cop is a coward and how anyone can defend him is beyond me. Pathetic actions by a man with a badge and a temper problem. 2 days is an absolute joke.
And those comments by the lawyers that you bolded are pathetic. Getting tough with drunks doesn't mean "free pass to abuse your powers and knee a dude who isn't resisting in the back and kick another in the head".
I sometimes wonder if I'm just very stupid for not seeing things the way others do. How can anyone with a rational mind look at this and not see excessive force? Why do we need to see what happened before to know an officer should not kick and punch a guy on the floor who was not resisting? I don't care if he sucker punched baby Jesus. If the guy surrenders, you arrest him, and lay charges, not use your own measures to extract revenge because you have an anger problem.
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I don't have a problem with it, yeah you could argue he was slightly excessive, minor suspension is an acceptable reprimand. (without knowing this officers discipline history,)
If a police officer is arresting you, it is not a negotiation, do what they say or be prepared to have some level of force used on you.
inb4 every police hating nitwit chimes in with their 2 cents.
I would take your 2 cents with a grain of salt as you are trying to become a police officer and you need to drink the "police are above the law" kool aid.
Wow after reading the judge say he used excessive force you are "thankful" he looked at all the evidence?
Yes, thankful. Because in case you missed it in the article I linked to; this case has been heard twice before.
QUOTE: A criminal investigation and a discipline hearing have already found the two officers did nothing wrong.
At least this judge acknowledged they did indeed make mistakes.
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That cop is a coward and how anyone can defend him is beyond me. Pathetic actions by a man with a badge and a temper problem. 2 days is an absolute joke.
And those comments by the lawyers that you bolded are pathetic. Getting tough with drunks doesn't mean "free pass to abuse your powers and knee a dude who isn't resisting in the back and kick another in the head".
I sometimes wonder if I'm just very stupid for not seeing things the way others do. How can anyone with a rational mind look at this and not see excessive force? Why do we need to see what happened before to know an officer should not kick and punch a guy on the floor who was not resisting? I don't care if he sucker punched baby Jesus. If the guy surrenders, you arrest him, and lay charges, not use your own measures to extract revenge because you have an anger problem.
I've never said it wasn't "excessive force".
Pointing out that everyone deserves all the evidence be reviewed; isn't the same as defending their actions.
It's pretty excessive especially since it looked like both guys were complying, that being said being arrested isn't supposed to be an enjoyable experience with essential oils and a shiatsu. Those guys will live and hopefully not act like complete donkeys in public again.
