Flames 2013 Draft Discussion

[Mattman]

Why not Monahan?

[bucksmasher]

Originally Posted by Flamin' DBag

I'm hoping for something like this:

Barkov/Lindholm/Monahan
Domi/Mantha
Bowey/Mueller/Morin

I'm not really trying to advocate drafting by position, but it seems like the best value for the flames picks will be: centres with the cgy pick, wingers with the stl pick and defense with the pit pick.

pass on Domi

[shutout]

This is they guy I would like to take with the Blues pick. If he is not available then Lazar or that big winger Mantha. But Gauthier would add size in the middle and skates well and has good hands. Top six pick probably gets us Lindholm or Monahan and then we follow it up with Gauthier.

Frederik Gauthier

Profile
2012-13 Team: Rimouski League: QMJHL
Position: Centre Height: 6'5"
DOB: Apr. 26, 1995 Weight: 210 lbs.
2012-13 Statistics
Team GP G A PTS +/-
Rimouski 43 16 35 51 +24
TSN Scout Craig Button:
An imposing centre who can play any situation in the game. Very smart and his awareness is excellent both with and without the puck. Can control the game from the centre ice position in multiple ways. Is very difficult to handle offensively and equally difficult to break down defensively. Has very good skating and puck skills and really understands how to play to his strengths for the benefit of the team. Has shown the ability to raise his level of play at critical times and is a very competitive player.

[shutout]

Assuming that we get two centers or forwards with our pick and the Blues pick this is the defenseman that I would like to get with the Penguins pick.

Mirco Mueller

Profile
2012-13 Team: Everett League: WHL
Position: Defence Height: 6'3"
DOB: Mar. 21, 1995 Weight: 184 lbs.
2012-13 Statistics
Team GP G A PTS +/-
Everett 43 5 18 23 +4
TSN Scout Craig Button:
A very athletic and talented rearguard who is getting better with each passing game. He Skates very well, is solid in his positioning and very difficult to beat one-on-one. Good puck skills and he passes very well from a defensive zone standpoint and effective on the offensive side with potential to improve. Mirco uses his body effectively and will assert and compete very well in this area. He has good overall sense for the game and has shown the capability of taking on more challenges in his role.

[azzarish]

Originally Posted by djsFlames

Is there a chance we could still have a shot at Barkov as late as 5th? I think there is.

A 3-4 team could take the risk on Nichuskin. Very possible Carolina does.

I think there is a pretty good chance of that happening.

[shutout]

Depending upon the difference between the Blues pick and the Canadiens first round pick do we debate how deep this first round talent goes?

Would you be willing to trade away the Blues and Penguins first round picks to the Canadiens for their first round and second round picks along with the second round picks from the Flames and Preditors.

Give up two (20 and 28) and gain four picks (26, 34, 36, 55).

What is the talent drop off between 20 and 26? Dropping from 28 to 34 and 36 should be an easy decision. Or is there a significant drop in talent after around 22-24 that we would not want to risk losing out on another potential top six player? Would we miss the chances for Lazar, Gauthier, Mantha, Zykov, or Ristolainen.

[azzarish]

Originally Posted by Nehkara

Here is an interesting question...

If the Flames finish 26th, like I mentioned above, would you package the CGY and PIT 1st rounders to Colorado/Florida/Carolina in exchange for a top 3 pick?

So one of those 3 teams would then likely pick 5-8, depending on where we end up. And they would also get what will probably the 28-30 pick.

In this draft I don't think any team would do that. On the flip side it would ensure us a top 3 pick.

In an ideal scenario I wanted us to pick top 3 anyway, and package the St. Louis and Pittsburgh first rounders to move higher up. Doesn't look like the first part of that equation is going to happen though.

[Teroy]

Originally Posted by neo45

I don't think he plays center and I think people have been on here before warning against picking him. He has slid from a top 10 ranking to late first round so scouts might see some red flags as well. I can't really comment on it because I have seen pretty limited action of him

Kerby Rychel Ht/Wt: 6' 1"/200 lbs Pos: C Team: Windsor (OHL)
2012-2013 OHL GP G A PTS PIM
...........................68 40 47 87 94


One of the purest OHL goal scorers eligible for the 2013 NHL Draft, Kerby Rychel has been nothing but extraordinary over the last two years. For someone who scored only seven goals as a rookie, Rychel has surely come alive since being in a Windsor Spitfires uniform. He scored 41 goals in his second OHL season in 2011-12 and the only reason why he was not drafted was because of his birthday being in October 1994. He has been Mr. Everything for the Spitfires, playing in all situations and providing significant leadership on and off the ice. With Windsor's veteran corps from the last two seasons reasonably dispatched, it is good to know that Rychel will be counted upon to provide guidance to younger players on the team, including Joshua Ho-Sang, Adam Bateman, Ryan Verbeek and Sam Studnicka. He is a dynamic skater and he has also shown that he can be a physical force, just like his father Warren before him. He also has incredible versatility and adaptability to any situation. Rychel will be a great addition to any team with a young forward group as he could sure come in and provide much needed assistance.

[calgARI]

Hockeydb lists Rychel at 6'1, 200 lbs.

[icecube]

Originally Posted by bucksmasher

pass on Domi

Big mistake. Domi is a bluechipper imo.

[Ashasx]

Haha Max Domi isn't a blue chip prospect.

He's a 5'9" centre that plays a powerforward game. That'll never translate in the NHL.

[icecube]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

Haha Max Domi isn't a blue chip prospect.

He's a 5'9" centre that plays a powerforward game. That'll never translate in the NHL.

He doesn't have to play a powerforward game. He has every attribute you want in a prospect other than the size. The fact that he's not afraid to get dirty will help him succeed. He's got the IQ, skill and a motor that never quits.

[Teroy]

I think we draft 5th or 6th. Barkov will probably go 4th. Nichushkin had 12 goals and only 4 assists. I don't know how you build a team around a low scoring Centre. Lindholm isn't much better in that regard; 11 goals and 20 assists. So my choice would be the defenceman Nurse; 12 goals and 29 assists. He could become your #1 pairing D. If we don't pick Nurse then I'd go with Shinkaruk; 37 goals and 49 assists. He's got the height to add a few pounds. He plays either wing and we need a RW. Our next pick doesn't come up till about #20. I still like Rychel. He's a Centre, 6'1"/200 lbs and playing on a very weak Windsor Spitfires put up great numbers. I'd go with Klimchuk with the Pens draft choice. He's a Centre, got height to add a few pounds and very good numbers

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Teroy

I think we draft 5th or 6th. Barkov will probably go 4th. Nichushkin had 12 goals and only 4 assists. I don't know how you build a team around a low scoring Centre. Lindholm isn't much better in that regard; 11 goals and 20 assists. So my choice would be the defenceman Nurse; 12 goals and 29 assists. He could become your #1 pairing D. If we don't pick Nurse then I'd go with Shinkaruk; 37 goals and 49 assists. He's got the height to add a few pounds. He plays either wing and we need a RW. Our next pick doesn't come up till about #20. I still like Rychel. He's a Centre, 6'1"/200 lbs and playing on a very weak Windsor Spitfires put up great numbers. I'd go with Klimchuk with the Pens draft choice. He's a Centre, got height to add a few pounds and very good numbers

Picking Shinkaruk in the 5-6 spot would be a debacle of monumental proportions

[azzarish]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

This kind of thinking frustrates me a wee bit. I guess it's to be expected given the Flames drafting and development over the last 15 years, but solid two way #1 centers are drafted all time without the benefit of a top pick.

Sure, drafting in the 1st-5th overall is more of a sure thing, but it's entirely possible the Flames could solidify the center position for this organization without winning the lottery, or finishing last.

Jeff Carter - 11th overall
Ryan Getzlaf - 19th overall
Ryan kesler - 23rd overall
Mike Richards - 24th overall
Patrice Bergeron - 45th overall
Joe Pavelski - 205th overall

I'll stop there.

If we came away from this draft with 2-3 centers similar to any of the above, we'd be laughing for years, and it's not impossible, it's just up to the drafting and development staff of the Flames to find some "hits" and avoid the "misses".

A top pick would be great this year, but it's not the only way to draft top centers.

Good post. I think people just want insurance of a great draft pick, and in our current predicament of a rebuild we want someone elite who is going to be a franchise player, rather than someone who has upside/potential but may or may not pan out. There seems to be a more assuring feeling with the top 3 this year.

[Dienasty]

Originally Posted by Teroy

I think we draft 5th or 6th. Barkov will probably go 4th. Nichushkin had 12 goals and only 4 assists. I don't know how you build a team around a low scoring Centre. Lindholm isn't much better in that regard; 11 goals and 20 assists. So my choice would be the defenceman Nurse; 12 goals and 29 assists. He could become your #1 pairing D. If we don't pick Nurse then I'd go with Shinkaruk; 37 goals and 49 assists. He's got the height to add a few pounds. He plays either wing and we need a RW. Our next pick doesn't come up till about #20. I still like Rychel. He's a Centre, 6'1"/200 lbs and playing on a very weak Windsor Spitfires put up great numbers. I'd go with Klimchuk with the Pens draft choice. He's a Centre, got height to add a few pounds and very good numbers

You do realize the flaw in your points logic right? Please tell me you do....

[Teroy]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

Picking Shinkaruk in the 5-6 spot would be a debacle of monumental proportions

Making a blanket statement like that without supporting your argument is a very weak argument.

[Teroy]

Originally Posted by Dienasty

You do realize the flaw in your points logic right? Please tell me you do....

No, but I'm sure if I beg you'll tell me.

[Psytic]

Originally Posted by Teroy

I think we draft 5th or 6th. Barkov will probably go 4th. Nichushkin had 12 goals and only 4 assists. I don't know how you build a team around a low scoring Centre. Lindholm isn't much better in that regard; 11 goals and 20 assists. So my choice would be the defenceman Nurse; 12 goals and 29 assists. He could become your #1 pairing D. If we don't pick Nurse then I'd go with Shinkaruk; 37 goals and 49 assists. He's got the height to add a few pounds. He plays either wing and we need a RW. Our next pick doesn't come up till about #20. I still like Rychel. He's a Centre, 6'1"/200 lbs and playing on a very weak Windsor Spitfires put up great numbers. I'd go with Klimchuk with the Pens draft choice. He's a Centre, got height to add a few pounds and very good numbers

I don't think your looking at this correctly. You need to look at the difference in league quality.

[Teroy]

Originally Posted by Psytic

I don't think your looking at this correctly. You need to look at the difference in league quality.

No, you need to look at the difference in team quality in each league. Besides how can you make a statement like that. They're players from the OHL and WHL. The same leagues as the #1 prospect and the #6 prospect.