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Old 04-18-2013, 04:11 PM   #101
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I haven't seen a shock wave like that in a long time.

Wow
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The proximity of this facility to residential neighborhoods, including nursing homes and schools is amazing.

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Yes, everyone. We have an unlimited amount of space in the world so all potentially dangerous facilities should be miles away from anything else.
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Old 04-18-2013, 04:26 PM   #104
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Yes, everyone. We have an unlimited amount of space in the world so all potentially dangerous facilities should be miles away from anything else.
It's called zoning and it exists for a reason. Hospitals and schools should not be beside fertilizer plants. This is not rocket science.

And are you seriously arguing that there's not enough space in f'in Texas? It's Texas!! All there is is space.
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Old 04-18-2013, 04:38 PM   #105
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Yes, everyone. We have an unlimited amount of space in the world so all potentially dangerous facilities should be miles away from anything else.
Have you ever looked out the window of an airplane?
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The proximity of this facility to residential neighborhoods, including nursing homes and schools is amazing.

The father of a guy that works for me works for a company that owns a bunch of plants like this. In 2004 that company considered buying this plant and Eric's Dad advised them against it due to the crazy location and the likelihood of massive lawsuits in the event of an event like this one.

Eric said his Dad's feeling a little strange today.
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I'm no expert in zoning or anything like that, but it certainly isn't uncommon to have a chemical facility relatively close to residential areas. Hell, you can find compressed vessels of anhydrous ammonia (and other common chemicals) all over the place.
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Old 04-18-2013, 04:46 PM   #108
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There used to be a fertilizer plant where Deerfoot Meadows is now. It was in the middle of nowhere when it was built during WWII, but of course the city grew around it. We could've had a similar tragedy if it had an accident.
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I'm no expert in zoning or anything like that, but it certainly isn't uncommon to have a chemical facility relatively close to residential areas. Hell, you can find compressed vessels of anhydrous ammonia (and other common chemicals) all over the place.
At levels that would cause an explosion such as this?
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I haven't seen a shock wave like that in a long time.

Wow
You need to watch mythbusters more often then.
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West Texas explosion was the equivalent of a 6 kt atomic blast

The Bomb that hit Hiroshima was close to 15 kt
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At levels that would cause an explosion such as this?
I would bet usually not. I don't know how much ammonia was being stored at that facility, but it clearly was a lot. If I was looking at that facility, I would probably have some concerns about its location but it is very likely that the facility was outside of town at some point. I really don't have any answers here though, just a tragic situation.
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Old 04-18-2013, 05:09 PM   #113
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this video is way closer than the other one. how this guy survived to upload it is amazing

Crazy! Even crazier is the fact that initial blast looked like it was heading outwards at an angle going over they guys head. Or maybe I am crazy.

Either way I would probably take up some sort of religion after that and thank that deity daily.

Has there been any news on the dad and his kid? hope that kid isn't permanently deaf.
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Crazy! Even crazier is the fact that initial blast looked like it was heading outwards at an angle going over they guys head. Or maybe I am crazy.

Either way I would probably take up some sort of religion after that and thank that deity daily.

Has there been any news on the dad and his kid? hope that kid isn't permanently deaf.
Or was he standing in a perfect spot and the dumpster deflected the shock-wave enough away from him so his insides didn't turn to goo?
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So do we know what caused it yet?
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Old 04-18-2013, 05:26 PM   #116
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Has there been any news on the dad and his kid? hope that kid isn't permanently deaf.
They seem to be ok, thankfully.

http://www.today.com/news/witness-te...ound-1C9503042
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Old 04-18-2013, 05:32 PM   #117
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There used to be a fertilizer plant where Deerfoot Meadows is now. It was in the middle of nowhere when it was built during WWII, but of course the city grew around it. We could've had a similar tragedy if it had an accident.
There is still one on Barlow at 106 ave SE, Viterra, proximity to schools and residential isn't the same though. And I don't know what they have in there, if it's the same kind of chemicals as the Texas place.
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Old 04-18-2013, 05:49 PM   #118
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Watching some news reports saying the fire department was at the facility previously in the day then had to respond back later for a rekindle which resulted in this explosion. While they are a volunteer fire department I would expect they knew the dangers of potential fires at this facility. A plant as volatile as that would require pre planning just in case of emergency.
The mayor in the town is also a volunteer firefighter and was saying he was evacuating nearby residents so they must have had some sort of fear of something bad happening.

Still way to early to fully know what happened but this should serve warning to any place that has dangerous facilities so close to town and prepare for emergencies that could happen should there be an incident
Maybe they knew how to deal or they may not have. It is usually up to the business to bring local emergency teams on site and educate them tothe dangers on site and run drills etc. Without having my hazwopper resources on me I'll go out on a limb and say this volunteer department had zero clue how to handle the situation. To the above evacuating to a mile may not be sufficient. As it will collect and flow to low lying areas you often. Have. to keep extending the area. One hazwopper video we have has a cop over three quarters if a mile away hightailing it out of the area as the ammonia cloud rolls toward him
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Btw it isn't just fertilizer plants that have ammonia. Any business with extensi.ve rdefridgeration is a good bet to have it. Your can likely find pictures of a downtown ice cream factory in the States after a blow out

Edit: I did goigle it and it is the bordens one from 1983. Also I fully realize that the presence of other chemicals will exasperate the situation.


http://www.safteng.net/index.php?opt...=1497&Itemid=4

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Old 04-18-2013, 05:55 PM   #120
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It's called zoning and it exists for a reason. Hospitals and schools should not be beside fertilizer plants. This is not rocket science.

And are you seriously arguing that there's not enough space in f'in Texas? It's Texas!! All there is is space.
The entire human population on earth can fit in Texas and each human would get an acre... With room to grow.
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