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Old 04-16-2013, 04:48 PM   #1521
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Does anybody think the Flames might use the Blues pick and/or Penguins pick in an attempt to trade for young players who might be available?

I could see them targeting a young right handed D-man with one of those picks as part of a package.

Guys like:

Tyler Myers (23)
Zach Bogosian (22)
Kevin Shattenkirk (24)
Jamie McBain (25) <- Not in the class of the other on the list, wouldn't need a 1st to acquire IMO


We have weak spots everywhere on the roster, but other than Wideman we don't have any other top 4 right handed shooting d-men....and not just on the roster, but really anywhere in the system. Pretty much every one of our D prospects is a left handed shot.
Only guy that we'd get for either the STL or PITS pick is McBain.
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Old 04-16-2013, 04:50 PM   #1522
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Myers is very intriguing; and scary. With his contract, might not cost a 1st or a top prospect.

I wonder if they want (back) a young, cheap defenseman who can play top 4 minutes?
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Old 04-16-2013, 04:53 PM   #1523
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Bogosian and Shattenkirk are going nowhere.

Myers interests me. Sabres might be open to a change for him and the team.

Blues 1st, Butler, Byron? Lol
You're most likely right about Bogosian and Shattenkirk, just included them because they are pending RFA's and fit the criteria I outlined.

lol @ the trade proposal. haha
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Myers is very intriguing; and scary. With his contract, might not cost a 1st or a top prospect.
Disagree. Obviously he's had a bad year but his upside is still enormous. Can't see them trading a potential franchise defenseman for less than a 1st or a top prospect. I'd be surprised if they traded him for as little as our PIT or STL pick. If they would I definitely would take that gamble.

Look at what E. Johnson was traded for despite not really impressing. Young, big defensemen with great skating and big upsides have massive trade value IMO.
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Old 04-16-2013, 05:27 PM   #1525
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The Flames have never had a pick above 6th overall -- why break tradition? We can make due with a LIndholm or a Monahan!
Tradition = history. Flames history @ 6th overall = Stillman, Tkaczuk & Fata. Let's break tradition.
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Old 04-16-2013, 05:36 PM   #1526
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I would prefer the flames use the picks, or trade 1 down for more picks, but I fear 1 or more will be traded in hopes of making the playoffs next season.
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Tradition = history. Flames history @ 6th overall = Stillman, Tkaczuk & Fata. Let's break tradition.
Stillman was a great pick!
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Stillman was a great pick!
By Flames standards he was a world-class draft pick. Still, man, I think there's a 6th overall curse going on. Stillman came back to bite us in the arse with Tampa so as far as I'm concerned any pick but 6th will do.
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Old 04-16-2013, 06:22 PM   #1529
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We need Monahan more than any player in this draft. I really think this guy is going to be an absolute superstar.


http://www.cbc.ca/sports/hockey/opin...ht-future.html

The Canadian head coach also had some acclaim for 18-year-old centre Sean Monahan, when the coach remarked, "his hockey sense, in my mind, is at a National Hockey League level right now."

But Monahan was among the five players cut by Spott and his coaching staff on Wednesday, a group that also included Portland defenceman Derrick Pouliot, Erie defenceman Adam Pelech, Monahan's Ottawa 67's teammate Tyler Graovac and Rimouski forward Francis Beauvillier.

8 more to be released Thursday

"It's obviously tough," Monahan said, moments after he was released. "I'll use this as motivation and hold my head high."

Spott has to trim three more defencemen, four forwards and a goalie to get down his final roster. He called the experience of releasing this first group as "unpleasant."

But he hoped to see each of the first cuts in a Team Canada sweater in the future.

"He has elite hockey sense," Spott said of Monahan. "He is just one of those players who can play in any situation - 5-on-5, 5-on-4, on your [penalty kill]. Sean has that innate ability. He is going to be an elite NHL player. There is no doubt about that."

It was high praise for a kid expected to be among the top-10 selections in the 2013 NHL entry draft, and one of only five draft eligible players invited to the Canadian junior selection camp.

When it comes to those youngsters most of the talk has been about Halifax Moosehead teammates Nathan MacKinnon and Jonathan Drouin. Which is why everybody took notice of Spott's praise for Monahan.

"To hear it come from a high-end coach like him, it's a good feeling for me," Monahan said.

Does he agree with the coach's words?

"I honestly don't know. I think I can read the game well. I know what's going to happen. I don't know if I'm equivalent of an NHL player, but I could get there maybe."

Monahan began playing hockey at age three. When he got older the six-foot-two, 186-pound Monahan said he watched a lot of NHL games and liked to focus on Joe Sakic, Steve Yzerman or Peter Forsberg.

The selection camp was a difficult situation for Monahan. He hasn't played since Nov. 18 because of a 10-game suspension he received for elbowing Plymouth captain Colin MacDonald in the head. But Monahan does have plenty of international experience and could be a part of this team next year.

He won gold at the 2011 World Under-17 Challenge with Ontario and celebrated a championship again at the 2011 Ivan Hlinka Memorial under-18 with Canada. He also captained the Mississauga Rebels midget team to the 2010 OHL Cup and won tournament MVP honours.

He was the second youngest player - by one day - to Hunter Shinkaruk on the Canadian squad in the Canada-Russia Challenge last summer. Monahan checked in with two goals and four points in the four games on a team coached by Spott.
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Disagree. Obviously he's had a bad year but his upside is still enormous. Can't see them trading a potential franchise defenseman for less than a 1st or a top prospect. I'd be surprised if they traded him for as little as our PIT or STL pick. If they would I definitely would take that gamble.

Look at what E. Johnson was traded for despite not really impressing. Young, big defensemen with great skating and big upsides have massive trade value IMO.
Whilst it's certainly fair to say that they're similar in terms of purely ability and potential, there trade value would be very different - Johnson only had a year and a half left on his deal with a 2.6 cap hit, and Myers would have 6 years @ 5.5 million on his. In addition, Johnson was roughly maintaing his rookie year pace(and was injury free) whilst Myers has been progressively worsening and has suffered significant injuries the past two years.

I think his value would be most similar to Phaneuf's - only adjust for Myers having shown less, and for Sutter not getting market value.
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Very good player profile of Sean Monahan:

http://lastwordonsports.com/2013/04/...yer-profile-6/

some interesting points:

This kid would be an excellent fit for the Flames - he's exactly the type of center Baertschi and Gaudreau need.
Thanks for posting this. I've been writing the reports. A new one daily. The top 7 are all in the draft post on the Prospects board for anyone else who liked this one and number 8 should be out tomorrow.
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Old 04-16-2013, 08:15 PM   #1532
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In addition, Johnson was roughly maintaing his rookie year pace(and was injury free)
Injury free?

Johnson missed an entire year due to an injury sustained while driving a golf cart.
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Old 04-16-2013, 08:40 PM   #1533
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Does anybody think the Flames might use the Blues pick and/or Penguins pick in an attempt to trade for young players who might be available?

I could see them targeting a young right handed D-man with one of those picks as part of a package.

Guys like:

Tyler Myers (23)
Zach Bogosian (22)
Kevin Shattenkirk (24)
Jamie McBain (25) <- Not in the class of the other on the list, wouldn't need a 1st to acquire IMO


We have weak spots everywhere on the roster, but other than Wideman we don't have any other top 4 right handed shooting d-men....and not just on the roster, but really anywhere in the system. Pretty much every one of our D prospects is a left handed shot.

now hear me out guys...
what about targeting a player that may be bought out?
hossa is 34 years old, he's post-apex i know, but he's also damn good.
after this year there's 8 more @5.25mil

the flames say "hey chicago, how about instead of buying him out, you trade him for a first round pick? here's the catch, it's 29th overall and you pay 2 mil of the salary per year."
after 3 years his actual pay goes to 4mil and after 4 years it goes down to 1mil, this means 1) chicago paying 2 mil of the salary only means about 7 million in real dollars. 2)chicago has already paid most of the contract. 3)2 mil per year is fairly easy to swallow for the hawks especially if you think the cap will be going up before too long. our ownership may actually like that situation as i think the flames will not be a cap team for the next few years, and hossa will likely retire before the contract is through.

i really feel like we'll draft mackinnon this year and a line of sven mackinnon and hossa is a real threat. means we could turn this thing around without "oil changing" the situation for 4 more years. Plus hossa is only making 3.25m against the cap. and i think he's got a couple more 70 plus point years in him.
hossa could be more important to the franchise than a 29th pick.
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Old 04-16-2013, 08:44 PM   #1534
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Disagree. Obviously he's had a bad year but his upside is still enormous. Can't see them trading a potential franchise defenseman for less than a 1st or a top prospect. I'd be surprised if they traded him for as little as our PIT or STL pick. If they would I definitely would take that gamble.

Look at what E. Johnson was traded for despite not really impressing. Young, big defensemen with great skating and big upsides have massive trade value IMO.
Really the only team I can think of that has sold low on a franchise defenseman was the Flames with Phaneuf. I think the Sabres would be asking a very steep price likely a 1st, 2nd, and a top prospect (Sven).
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Injury free?

Johnson missed an entire year due to an injury sustained while driving a golf cart.
Yeah, after that. The golf-cart injury was a freak incident, when he got back to the ice he missed about a game or two in the ~130 he played for the Blues so there really wasn't much concern about him missing games.
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Meyers a franchise d? He hasn't shown it yet. And he seems to be getting worse.
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Old 04-16-2013, 08:58 PM   #1537
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Really the only team I can think of that has sold low on a franchise defenseman was the Flames with Phaneuf. I think the Sabres would be asking a very steep price likely a 1st, 2nd, and a top prospect (Sven).
I don't know about that. Myers has been a healthy scratch a few times in his career, and according to Buffalo fans they were warranted. They say he was better leading up to his recent injury.

Myers can definitely get a good package, but I don't think Buffalo can ask for an arm and a leg here.
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Okay, new hypothetical situation.

Flames finish 3rd last. x-Team outside the bottom 3 wins the lottery, we're bumped to 4th overall.

1. x-Team - Seth Jones
2. Florida - Nathan MacKinnon
3. Colorado - Jonathan Drouin
4. Calgary - ?

Who would you take next? The general consensus bpa in Barkov, or do you place higher value in one of Lindholm/Monahan?

I would be tempted most by Monahan, but probably would take Barkov. His skillset and size would complement the likes of Baertschi and Gaudreau extremely well, I think.
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I think you have to take Barkov in that case (though I would try to move up for one of the big 3).
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I would take Barkov easily at that spot.
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