[Rumour] Garrioch: "Ken King will be moving on"

[drPepper1]

Originally Posted by Owen15

Can we include everyone associated with the Flames broadcasts and coverage excpet Peter Maher in the rebuild? Just saying, if we're serious about moving forward...

Bring back the homer Loubardias too

[hah]

Trade King for Lowe, isn't that special.

[Iggy3x]

Originally Posted by Dion

I hope not!

I think Burke will get in a power struggle with someone here sooner or later. Don't think he will get along with Weisbrod. I like Weisbrod's drafting the last couple of years. I think Burke will ruin the trend.

[longsuffering]

Originally Posted by Cali Flames Fan

This would be ideal. I think Feaster is a good business manager along the lines of Ken King, and realistically all the good things with player personnel have been because of Weisbrod.

Based on what? I'm genuinely curious.

[edslunch]

Originally Posted by Iggy3x

I think Burke will get in a power struggle with someone here sooner or later. Don't think he will get along with Weisbroad. I like Weisbroad's drafting the last couple of years. I think Burke will ruin the trend.

Actually he's had only one draft with the Flames. A good one I think, but not a track record

[longsuffering]

Originally Posted by Tinordi

That article does not pass your own ridiculous burden of proof standards that you place on positions you disagree with. The author repeatedly states that these are assumptions.

Bur further, this actually could be used to further my point that King dropped the ball by taking the wait and see approach and seeing the debacle unfold in Edmonton. Maybe that's why ownership is upset because wait and see meant not getting your foot in the door for municpal money.

You see, that's the thing people are throwing around ideas. You can disagree with them but unless you know and that's not about posting articles built on a solid foundation of baseless speculation, you're just as likely to be wrong as me.

At least Res comes up with some links. You just spout off your self-important nonsense and expect the Board to treat it as gospel.

It might be nice if you backed up your 'facts' with some real facts every now and then.

[Iggy3x]

Originally Posted by edslunch

Actually he's had only one draft with the Flames. A good one I think, but not a track record

Ah right. I think the person they pick to replace King should be someone who is a good manager, but won't interfere with hockey operations. If King is moving on (i.e. a promotion) to head Roughnecks, Flames and Stamps, do you need to backfill that Flames president position? Can't Feaster just report to King still?

[Stay Golden]

Please let this rumor have teeth and be true. Finally some lack of accountability out the door

[Tinordi]

Originally Posted by longsuffering

At least Res comes up with some links. You just spout off your self-important nonsense and expect the Board to treat it as gospel.

It might be nice if you backed up your 'facts' with some real facts every now and then.

You love following me around don't you?

What I said was meant to speculate the reason for why he'd be moving out. You can disagree which is what people have done. Fine. I see nothing to contradict it nor anything more solid than some article that's built on a foundation of speculation which doesn't even necessarily address my argument and could be interpreted as bolstering it.

[handgroen]

Originally Posted by Cali Flames Fan

This would be ideal. I think Feaster is a good business manager along the lines of Ken King, and realistically all the good things with player personnel have been because of Weisbrod.

If this is the succession plan, the feel-good portion of this story is that conroy may finally be rid of his goofy "special assistant to the general manager" title and could be an AGM in earnest.
the special assistant to the general manager title has always made me think of this

Spoiler!

[Tinordi]

Ad hominem fallacy, re: comparison to Bremner. And I was not aware that purchasing the Roughnecks and Stampeders, and building the Hitmen into the top drawing team in the WHL (by a large margin) was "meaningless marketing speak."

Just quickly to address this one point, you were the guy who brought up Bremner as an example of how great King is not me. So uhm, get your arguments straight.

[868904]

Originally Posted by mrdonkey

Another vote for Feaster as president and Weisbrod as GM. Fingers crossed, but not holding my breath.

I think the jury is still out on Weisbrod.

He wasn't involved in Sven and Johnny draft, so he can't take any credit for that.

There is still major uncertainty with regards to the Jankowski draft. It could be a homerun or a major bust. Gillies looks like a good pick but the rest are all still uncertain, including Seiloff.

The signings since he's been around don't really show that much:

David Eddy and Brady Lamb - two college guys who don't look like they'll amount to much;

Hudler and Wideman - Hudler is okay, but they paid a lot to get him and he's essentially a support player. Wideman looked great at the beginning of the season but has been atrocious since the half way point. Both are locked in long term. I don't see anything special about these signings. Pretty much paid top dollar for the secondary UFA crop.

Cervenka - sold by Weisbrod as a centre, can't play centre in the NHL.

As for trades:

Iginla - we'll see if Agostino and Hanowski turn into anything. Both of these are on Weisbrod. The general hockey world has panned the return;

Bouwmeester - again, Cundari and Berra are on Weisbrod. General hockey world has panned this too;

Cammalleri - Ramo "best goaltender outside the NHL" for a 2nd round pick, I guess we'll see.

There really hasn't been any positive results so far in terms of acquiring good impactful players resulting from Weisbrod's "eye for talent". Has there been a real positive addition to the core since he's been Feaster's right hand man? Sure he sounds like he knows what he's doing, but where are the results?

[Iggy3x]

Originally Posted by 868904

There really hasn't been any positive results so far in terms of acquiring good impactful players resulting from Weisbrod's "eye for talent". Has there been a real positive addition to the core since he's been Feaster's right hand man? Sure he sounds like he knows what he's doing, but where are the results?

I think it is too early to tell right now. We haven't seen all of these college pickups in Calgary. To be able to correctly assess, we will need probably 2 more years. But I do think it is great that he is diversified in acquiring players in different positions and they all seems to have good potential. But as with all prospects, time will tell.

[Resolute 14]

Originally Posted by Tinordi

Just quickly to address this one point, you were the guy who brought up Bremner as an example of how great King is not me. So uhm, get your arguments straight.

Actually, I didn't, but thank you for putting words in my mouth to try and save your flailing argument. Ken King has been a good team president because of his body of work, just as Bremner was a bad one based on his body of work. I have not argued that King is good because Bremner is bad, nor vice versa.

[browna]

If King moves on/up, hopefully a strong personality as D. Sutter was to take control and not let King or the owners stick thier fingers in the hockey operations.

Feaster and Hartley and everyone has to be then evaluated on their own merit, and not on their words or potential plans, which Feaster can so eloquently phrase.

This is the year to do it...get it all done in one forgettable season and leave no hangers on. If the franchise superstar can go, and the franchie goalie retires, there is nothing in the organization exempt from moving on as well.

Giving someone another year just because they didn't have enough time or want to see how some of his picks came out, or was given a fair shake is hogwash a)they'll get paid for not working and b)the new person has to come in from the outside, and build on what he has roster wise, with people he trusts in the positions he needs to fill, not just assume them.

Agostino and Hanowski, remember, are not Feaster's ideal return from the Iginla trade.

[IamNotKenKing]

Originally Posted by bettman

This was the rumour last week at Saddledome. He can take his henchmen with him..Rollie Cyr and the other geeks that have tainted the organization.

How in God's name has Rollie Cyr tainted the organisation?

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by IamNotKenKing

How in God's name has Rollie Cyr tainted the organisation?

Isn't Rollie cyr in charge of tickets?

[Flames Draft Watcher]

Originally Posted by IamNotKenKing

How in God's name has Rollie Cyr tainted the organisation?

Based on posting history bettman is a disgruntled Saddledome/Flames employee. Obviously not a King/Cyr fan

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by 868904

I think the jury is still out on Weisbrod.

He wasn't involved in Sven and Johnny draft, so he can't take any credit for that.

There is still major uncertainty with regards to the Jankowski draft. It could be a homerun or a major bust. Gillies looks like a good pick but the rest are all still uncertain, including Seiloff.

The signings since he's been around don't really show that much:

David Eddy and Brady Lamb - two college guys who don't look like they'll amount to much;

Hudler and Wideman - Hudler is okay, but they paid a lot to get him and he's essentially a support player. Wideman looked great at the beginning of the season but has been atrocious since the half way point. Both are locked in long term. I don't see anything special about these signings. Pretty much paid top dollar for the secondary UFA crop.

Cervenka - sold by Weisbrod as a centre, can't play centre in the NHL.

As for trades:

Iginla - we'll see if Agostino and Hanowski turn into anything. Both of these are on Weisbrod. The general hockey world has panned the return;

Bouwmeester - again, Cundari and Berra are on Weisbrod. General hockey world has panned this too;

Cammalleri - Ramo "best goaltender outside the NHL" for a 2nd round pick, I guess we'll see.

There really hasn't been any positive results so far in terms of acquiring good impactful players resulting from Weisbrod's "eye for talent". Has there been a real positive addition to the core since he's been Feaster's right hand man? Sure he sounds like he knows what he's doing, but where are the results?

I think we should have a better idea in two years. This upcoming draft is make or break. This organization can't afford a whiff on their first pick or even the 2nd or 3rd picks for that matter. In two years if the three players they get in this first round disappoint in thier developement and Jankowski doesn't look like an NHL player then yes I would have to say he talks better than he evaluates talent.

[BOSSY]

Originally Posted by IamNotKenKing

How in God's name has Rollie Cyr tainted the organisation?

you've clearly never had any business dealings with him... Outside of buying your tickets then.