Has Redford done any good for Alberta?

[Makarov]

Originally Posted by Dion

Voters should have been smart enough to realise that "Alison spend alot" wouldn't be able to deliver on all those campaign promises. I'm no financial guru but I knew there was going to be trouble down the road. I sometimes wonder if voters have their heads in the sand.

And the WRP would have been able to deliver on their vague, nebulous promises to save money by just making the government run more efficiently (by firing a bunch of managers, apparently [btw, an expensive proposition in its own right])? What on earth makes you think that?

[Dion]

Originally Posted by Mean Mr. Mustard

What has Smith apologized for? As for fear mongering there was some of that in the election, however I would argue that the Wildrose has been much more guilty of it in relative to the PCs... you don't remember the "Same Old PCs" advertisements with such great lines as, "Maybe they don't care about you"... "Higher taxes for every Albertan who enjoys a good beer" ... "what do the PCs want to do with your taxes, give it to more bureaucrats and juicy contracts for their friends"

Also I don't recall Smith issuing any apologies or admitting that she was wrong.

Danielle Smith apologizes for making comments about handing out beef to poor

http://www.calgaryherald.com/health/...594/story.html

Wildrose’s Smith regrets conflict with Mandel

http://www.edmontonjournal.com/news/...#ixzz2FXwDcWp3

What if the fear mongering was true?

[Dion]

Originally Posted by Makarov

And the WRP would have been able to deliver on their vague, nebulous promises to save money by just making the government run more efficiently (by firing a bunch of managers, apparently [btw, an expensive proposition in its own right])? What on earth makes you think that?

What Redfiord is now doing to heath care is what the WRP had promised to do. The same with a freeze on pay raises and bonuses. She didn't get elected to do it because of all the spend thrift promises Redford made to the public sector unions. I find it quite ironic that the WRP had the right ideas and it took the PC's quite abit longer to realise the mess we are in. Or are you one of the union members that lapped up what Redford was selling?

[Slava]

Originally Posted by Dion;4201548[B

]What Redfiord is now doing to heath care is what the WRP had promised to do. The same with a freeze on pay raises and bonuses.[/B] She didn't get elected to do it because of all the spend thrift promises Redford made to the public sector unions. I find it quite ironic that the WRP had the right ideas and it took the PC's quite abit longer to realise the mess we are in. Or are you one of the union members that lapped up what Redford was selling?

So wait a second, if this is what the Wildrose promised to do then you must be happy with the job they're doing?

[Dion]

Originally Posted by Slava

So wait a second, if this is what the Wildrose promised to do then you must be happy with the job they're doing?

They're being forced to do it in part because of the deficit they ran up. I would have been happy if it had been apart of thier original campaign as opposed to the vote buying message that all is okay in Alberta - there's money for everyone.

[Makarov]

Originally Posted by Dion

What Redfiord is now doing to heath care is what the WRP had promised to do. The same with a freeze on pay raises and bonuses. She didn't get elected to do it because of all the spend thrift promises Redford made to the public sector unions. I find it quite ironic that the WRP had the right ideas and it took the PC's quite abit longer to realise the mess we are in. Or are you one of the union members that lapped up what Redford was selling?

Perhaps you can compare the WRP healthcare platform with the government's current approach because I don't really see any similarities? In fact, when I read the WRP healthcare platform, all I see are a bunch of head-scratchingly vague statements like "model our health care system after various European systems with less waiting times and smaller budgets" (they couldn't even list which European states they intended to model?) and "permit publicly insured services to be completed at private facilities".

[Slava]

Originally Posted by Dion

They're being forced to do it in part because of the deficit they ran up. I would have been happy if it had been apart of thier original campaign as opposed to the vote buying message that all is okay in Alberta - there's money for everyone.

Who cares why they're doing it though? If at the end of the day they end at the policy that you support then it really makes no difference as to how they arrived at it?

[crazy_eoj]

Lol, thread about how terrible Redford is turns into more Wildrose bashing.

Bottom line is that Redford has been exposed as a terrible leader, and has broken as many promises as she made during the last election. The mushy middle left that she managed to bring on as her supporters (ie: Teachers' Union) should feel betrayed. Anyone with even a sense of fiscal responsibility should be totally embarrassed by the PC record.

Wildrose numbers are through the roof. Seems Albertan's still value fiscal conservatism over the tax and spend Liberals. If it wasn't for a couple of dumb comments last election we likely would already have a Wildrose government and you can be sure they will be pruning the wacko's out for the next election. I'm excited to see Alberta return to a powerhouse province under Danielle Smith, with the Ralph Klein funeral it was nice to remember what Alberta was so well known for.

[longsuffering]

Originally Posted by Dion

The thing I hate is how polices can be spun by the opposition to make a party look bad. Redford made the WRP to look like monsters with her fear mongering and the gullible voters bought it. the idoit candidates were never going to be elected and her private health approach was going to sink public health care.

Are you so partisan that you don't realize the WRP does the exact same thing? Every party demonizes it's competition.

Or are you going to come back with the same witty retort as Transplant? "It's not fear mongering if it's true".

I don't understand how a person that is usually so reasonable - like you - can be so hardcore and dogmatic about one political party versus another.

It really brings out a dark side in you.

[PsYcNeT]

Originally Posted by crazy_eoj

Wildrose numbers are through the roof the same as they were 6 months ago. Seems rural Albertan's still value fiscal social conservatism over the tax and spend Liberals. If it wasn't for a couple of dumb comments racist and backawards Wildrose members last election we likely would already almost have a Wildrose government and you can be sure they will be pruning the wacko's out for the next election.

Fixed for accuracy.

[Rathji]

Originally Posted by Dion

What Redfiord is now doing to heath care is what the WRP had promised to do. The same with a freeze on pay raises and bonuses. She didn't get elected to do it because of all the spend thrift promises Redford made to the public sector unions. I find it quite ironic that the WRP had the right ideas and it took the PC's quite abit longer to realise the mess we are in. Or are you one of the union members that lapped up what Redford was selling?

I get that you support the WRP and not the PC party, but how could Alison Redford doing the thing you support be a bad thing, even if it is different than what they originally suggested?

I guess if your issue is that she changed her mind on things, and not sticking to her guns, but isn't the whole point of running the province to do things the best way?

[CaptainCrunch]

The big factor leading into the leadership convention in the fall is the Pipeline, if the pipeline gets approved with Redford having made sales trips to Washington, a few sins will be forgiven. If it doesn't or the decision is delayed again the universe comes crashing down on her head.

[PsYcNeT]

Originally Posted by Rathji

I get that you support the WRP and not the PC party, but how could Alison Redford doing the thing you support be a bad thing, even if it is different than what they originally suggested?

I guess if your issue is that she changed her mind on things, and not sticking to her guns, but isn't the whole point of running the province to do things the best way?

When the party you like does it, it's called "being flexible and understanding your constituents".

When the party you don't like does it, it's called "flip-flopping" or "waffling".

[crazy_eoj]

Originally Posted by Rathji

I get that you support the WRP and not the PC party, but how could Alison Redford doing the thing you support be a bad thing, even if it is different than what they originally suggested?

I guess if your issue is that she changed her mind on things, and not sticking to her guns, but isn't the whole point of running the province to do things the best way?

Wouldn't it be better to vote for someone who knew what the right things were to do instead of someone who is being forced to do something they didn't want to out of ineptitude?

[PsYcNeT]

Originally Posted by crazy_eoj

Wouldn't it be better to vote for someone who knew what the right things were to do instead of someone who is being forced to do something they didn't want to out of ineptitude?

I'm not sure Randian corporate autonomy is the right thing to do, unless you're Andrew Ryan.

[crazy_eoj]

Originally Posted by PsYcNeT

I'm not sure Randian corporate autonomy is the right thing to do, unless you're Andrew Ryan.

I'm not sure destruction of the bourgeoisie is desirable, unless you're Joseph Stalin.

[CaptainCrunch]

In the old Soviet Union leaders used to be deposed due to Illness all the time. Wonder who Allison is going to feel just prior to the leadership confidence vote.

[Makarov]

Originally Posted by crazy_eoj

Wouldn't it be better to vote for someone who knew what the right things were to do instead of someone who is being forced to do something they didn't want to out of ineptitude?

Still waiting for someone to actually demonstrate that this is the case. ..

[PsYcNeT]

Originally Posted by crazy_eoj

I'm not sure destruction of the bourgeoisie is desirable, unless you're Joseph Stalin.

So wait, the Wildrose Party isn't full of socially-backward Libertarians now?

It's been an educational day.

[Rathji]

Originally Posted by crazy_eoj

Wouldn't it be better to vote for someone who knew what the right things were to do instead of someone who is being forced to do something they didn't want to out of ineptitude?

No doubt, and I am certainly not saying that Redford or the PCs are blameless in anything here, because they obviously are not, but I am confused why you would trash someone because they did exactly what you wanted.

Trashing for the other stupid things she does, however, that makes a ton of sense.