Justin Trudeau running for Liberal leadership

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by SeeBass

I think what this shows you have no idea what it would take to win an election.

The smartest and absoloute best answer would be the line his father used. As any person with political savy and marketing would agree.

Politics and money starts from the strength of the base.

If there is a person out there who agrees with your opinion, they were never going to vote for him anyway. He needs his base to win not some guys in Alberta who never liked his dad.

You do know he is trying to win an election? Do you think he will win this running from his name or running to it?

So you agree he is nothing but a figurehead/puppet leader then? Good, now I assume someone as intelligent as yourself wont be swayed into voting for such a fraudulent candidate's party, and instead will throw your support behind a real leader like Harper....right?

[Jacks]

http://www.ctvnews.ca/canada/less-th...ader-1.1206432

Less than half the almost 300,000 people who signed up to take part in the federal Liberal leadership race have registered to vote, despite getting an extra week in which to do so.

As of late Thursday, shortly before the midnight deadline, almost 43 per cent of supporters and members — some 126,000 — had registered.

The party had originally set a deadline of Mar. 14 but acquiesced to a request by front-runner Justin Trudeau's camp to extend the registration period by one week, over the objections of several rival camps.

The Trudeau team argued the extra time was needed because the party was having trouble getting registration packages to more than 100,000 people, mainly Trudeau supporters, who signed up without providing email addresses.

However, the extension produced only about 21,000 additional registered voters. That's despite a controversial move by the party over the weekend to call those who hadn't registered and give them the chance to do so on the spot, sparking accusations that party brass were showing favouritism toward the front-runner.

Hundreds of those who have registered may yet be disqualified. The list of registered voters is to be finalized by the party by midnight Sunday and all leadership camps will then have until midnight Tuesday to mount challenges against those they believe may be invalid.

Various camps say there are numerous suspect registrants, including a number of instances in which dozens of people — in one case more than 100 — have provided the same email address or home address.

The Liberals had hoped to significantly broaden the once-mighty party's base by allowing for the first time a new class of supporters — not just dues-paying, card-carrying members — to vote for the next leader.

But while the recruitment of 294,000 supporters and members was encouraging, the fact that almost 60 per cent failed to take the next step and register leaves the party with fewer eligible voters than the NDP had for its leadership contest last year.

New Democrats, who allowed only members to vote, boasted a record 131,000 eligible voters. Ultimately, just less than half of them cast ballots.

Liberal insiders fully expect a large chunk of their eligible voters will similarly fail to cast ballots, which will be done online or by phone during the week of April 6.

Still, Trudeau maintained the supporter experiment has been a big success.

And the demographic is.

http://www.cp24.com/news/liberal-lea...ians-1.1202969

Of those for whom an age is known, 59 per cent are 50 years of age or older. Only eight per cent are under the age of 25.

Another 13 per cent are between the ages of 25 and 34 and 19 per cent are aged 35 to 49.

Over the past three elections, the Liberal party's base has shrunk steadily, concentrated in Toronto with pockets of support in Atlantic Canada, Vancouver and Montreal.

The registration numbers thus far show the party's base remains heavily concentrated in Ontario. It accounts for 46 per cent of registered voters, boosted by high membership and supporter numbers in Toronto ridings.

British Columbia accounts for the second largest chunk of registered voters, with just less than 13 per cent.

[CaptainCrunch]

Suddenly makes this vote very interesting to say the least.

Maybe registration apathy signals a lack of faith in Justin, or a real dwindling of grass roots support of the party.

Maybe the message that Justin is a no substance candidate has gotten through to people.

Suddenly this isn't such a slam dunk for the heir apparent and Garneau made a huge mistake in stepping down from this race.

Do we now see someone slipping up the middle again to steal the vote.

Don't get my wrong, my gut tells me that the Liberal party is banking their entire future on Justin and they'll do anything to get him into the leadership slot.

But this is a telling sign that he's not as all powerful as people like Kinsella want us to believe.

[OffsideSpecialist]

Originally Posted by Jacks

http://www.ctvnews.ca/canada/less-th...ader-1.1206432


And the demographic is.

http://www.cp24.com/news/liberal-lea...ians-1.1202969

I signed up as a supporter, but decided not to register to vote once Garneau dropped out.

[Daradon]

I do believe that there is a split even among Liberal faithful on whether or not Justin is the right man to lead the party. I haven't looked at the new polls as much as you guys have, but I've gotten this feeling in just talking to liberal supporters/left wing-centerist voters. Even myself, who most here would probably call left, but I would counter I'm centrist as I have voted conservative before, like many really don't know what to make of the guy. I think he's got an upside as well as a down side. There was a female candidate who I thought was the way to go, but I believe she dropped out already. Wasn't watching too closely cause for me it doesn't really matter till one person wins the leadership race, as I'm not going to be voting for a candidate. I have no political affiliation and doubt I ever will.

For me, and I think for a lot of people, I think the reasoning may be this... That he might not be the best candidate, but he might have the best chance of winning, just based on name and appeal. He'll get a lot of the uninformed vote because of his youth, name, and charisma. Not that winning cause of those qualities are a good thing if you don't have other qualities, but in politics one often picks the horse most likely to win, rather than the best man or woman for the job. You could have the smartest, nicest, most level-headed candidate out there, but if they're ugly and have no charisma, they'll probably tank your party.

It really puts me in a rough spot because I'm very unhappy with the CPC right now based on a number of factors. I was quite happy with them in the minority years, I thought they did a good job when the other parties were looking over their shoulder, but there are a good 4 or more decisions they've made since then that I'm am directly opposed to. So I would really like to vote for another party this time around. But, I don't think I could vote for Trudeau.

On the other hand, I do believe he is better than the last two leaders they put in charge. Dion and Ignatieff.

Course, in my riding it really doesn't matter. But as a voter you think about these things even if it's a pointless vote you are casting.

[cal_guy]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

Suddenly makes this vote very interesting to say the least.

Maybe registration apathy signals a lack of faith in Justin, or a real dwindling of grass roots support of the party.

Maybe the message that Justin is a no substance candidate has gotten through to people.

Suddenly this isn't such a slam dunk for the heir apparent and Garneau made a huge mistake in stepping down from this race.

Do we now see someone slipping up the middle again to steal the vote.

Don't get my wrong, my gut tells me that the Liberal party is banking their entire future on Justin and they'll do anything to get him into the leadership slot.

But this is a telling sign that he's not as all powerful as people like Kinsella want us to believe.

I do believe that Trudeau's best polling demographic group is the over 50 group.

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by cal_guy

I do believe that Trudeau's best polling demographic group is the over 50 group.

I have my doubts, I believe that demographic is going to be made up of a fairly close split of romantics for his dad and red liberals, and people who hated his old man and see through his act.

I thought and according to Justin himself that he was the pied piper of the younger generation that he was going to motivate the younger voters, the numbers here show that he didn't do a great job of electrifying that segment to vote.

[flylock shox]

Originally Posted by Daradon

For me, and I think for a lot of people, I think the reasoning may be this... That he might not be the best candidate, but he might have the best chance of winning, just based on name and appeal. He'll get a lot of the uninformed vote because of his youth, name, and charisma. Not that winning cause of those qualities are a good thing if you don't have other qualities, but in politics one often picks the horse most likely to win, rather than the best man or woman for the job. You could have the smartest, nicest, most level-headed candidate out there, but if they're ugly and have no charisma, they'll probably tank your party.

It really puts me in a rough spot because I'm very unhappy with the CPC right now based on a number of factors. I was quite happy with them in the minority years, I thought they did a good job when the other parties were looking over their shoulder, but there are a good 4 or more decisions they've made since then that I'm am directly opposed to. So I would really like to vote for another party this time around. But, I don't think I could vote for Trudeau.

That's pretty much where I sit as someone whose values would have traditionally aligned with the Liberal party. If Trudeau has the ability to bring the party back to a respectable number of seats - pushing the Conservatives back to minority territory in the meantime - then I think he's the man for the job despite the fact I don't like him personally (he strikes me as a poser in the posiest sense of the word).

[chemgear]

Originally Posted by Fire

It's The reason Canada came through the recession in good shape compared to other countries is because of better regulation of the banks.

Originally Posted by Slava

It wasn't just low rates in that instance, it was the fact that the mortgages were to people who ought not to have had mortgages in the first place. Things like 'NINJA' mortgages, No Income No Job. The rates escalated in many cases as well, so that was another factor.

The government regulated and officially clamped down on NINJA mortgages and cash back zero down mortgages just recently in 2012. I have the impression that the banks had better internal standards regardless but I have no actual evidence to point to. But I thought I saw a sign outside ATB promoting a zero down option a few months back.

http://www.canadianmortgagetrends.co...erwriting.html

[CaptainCrunch]

Is anyone going to watch the debates today? With the lower register turnout and the demographics of the voters, theres a little bit of blood and the water and the smart debating move against Truedaeu is to throw off the gloves and attack him on policy and draw him into a fight that he's not comfortable with.

[Daradon]

Just saw a few of the highlights. Pretty tame all around.

[FlamesAddiction]

Well, it looks like the Liberals just effed themselves again:

http://www.cbc.ca/news/live/2013/04/...p-results.html

[Smartcar]

It's a great day for Canada.

[rubecube]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

Well, it looks like the Liberals just effed themselves again:

http://www.cbc.ca/news/live/2013/04/...p-results.html

We'll see. Trudeau is clearly running his campaign straight from the Obama playbook.

[cal_guy]

There were three plausible candidate at the beginning of the race (it's not the time for the Liberal party to elect a non-MP leader), and two at the end. They picked one of them.

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by rubecube

We'll see. Trudeau is clearly running his campaign straight from the Obama playbook.

I'm hoping Canadian's are smarter.

You can bet that the Conservatives and NDP won't be nice and gentle like the Liberal (Don't say anything mean or tough or argue with Justin) Party.

Both Harper and Mulcair will relish the chance to destroy the son of Pierre Truedeau, and Precious Justin has given a lot of campaign ammo so far.

People forget that the NDP even more then the Cons want to exterminate the Liberal Party as the Liberals are a bigger threat.

I kind of look forward to seeing a debate brawl between the three of them because my expectation is that the poll numbers for Justin will start to skip as the honey moon fades and then he'll be off to write his autobiography (If only I had a brain, the story of a trust fund baby) then go to work for CBC as a political commentator.

[GGG]

I am not a big fan of Trudeau but I do like that this should get the liberal party off the mat and be a credible party to vote for and against the conservatives. My biggest fear in the next election was Ontario deciding they were sick of Harper and the only alternative being Muclair and his Bloc 2.0 party.

Trudeau and the liberals are a much better option than Muclair. Hopefully he moves a little more to the right. JC hit the sweet spot of just to the right of center and cleaned up.

[Hemi-Cuda]

I'm sick of Harper, but I have zero trust in a guy whose sole political credibility is his last name. Great motivation to get out to vote that is....

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by GGG

I am not a big fan of Trudeau but I do like that this should get the liberal party off the mat and be a credible party to vote for and against the conservatives. My biggest fear in the next election was Ontario deciding they were sick of Harper and the only alternative being Muclair and his Bloc 2.0 party.

Trudeau and the liberals are a much better option than Muclair. Hopefully he moves a little more to the right. JC hit the sweet spot of just to the right of center and cleaned up.

Lets be honest, in the last election, people didn't vote for the NDP and their insanity platform. The people voted for Layton because he hit the once in a lifetime note at the exact right time, plus and not to be cruel, he was sick and walking around on a cane and looking incredibly brave.

Mulcair is not Layton, half of the wacky NDP'ers that went from working as waitresses and bartenders and pro-seperatist students are not going to win their seats back.

But Mulcair is cagy enough and angry enough to go after Trudeau like the angry hand of god.

Plus he has the opportunity to question Trudeau on his attendance and on his double dipping in the same way that Layton knocked out Iggy on that.

The real fight and most of the seat exchanges will happen between NDP and Libs.

[LIP MAN]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

I'm hoping Canadian's are smarter.

You can bet that the Conservatives and NDP won't be nice and gentle like the Liberal (Don't say anything mean or tough or argue with Justin) Party.

Both Harper and Mulcair will relish the chance to destroy the son of Pierre Truedeau, and Precious Justin has given a lot of campaign ammo so far.

People forget that the NDP even more then the Cons want to exterminate the Liberal Party as the Liberals are a bigger threat.

I kind of look forward to seeing a debate brawl between the three of them because my expectation is that the poll numbers for Justin will start to skip as the honey moon fades and then he'll be off to write his autobiography (If only I had a brain, the story of a trust fund baby) then go to work for CBC as a political commentator.

God, man. Lay off the "I'm conservative and everyone who's liberal is an idiot" schtick. It's getting tiresome.

I appreciate that may be your viewpoint, it just taints some of your more informed commentary on the political spectrum.