[PGT] Flames down the Desert Dogs in OT

[VladtheImpaler]

Stupid useless win by a stupid, useless franchise. Yes, I am bitter - so tired of this team which can't do anything properly. The great white whale (franchise C) is slipping away.

[transplant99]

Im glad they are winning one here and there.

the LAST thing you want a bunch of young guys learning is nothing but to lose games.

I am fully aware that it may be better for a draft pick to lose every game going forward, but there is a huge downside to that, and winning a few at the NHL level helps stem that loser mentality so many here seem to embrace.

[devo22]

Originally Posted by VladtheImpaler

Stupid useless win by a stupid, useless franchise. Yes, I am bitter - so tired of this team which can't do anything properly. The great white whale (franchise C) is slipping away.

we are still in 28th position and still have a tough road trip at the end of the season. In terms of a high pick, we'll be fine even if we get the odd win here and there. I can't see us finish higher than 27th ... maybe we'll leapfrog the lackluster Hurricanes, but that's about it. We're almost guaranteed to pick top 4.

[LouCypher]

While its great the Flames are winning don't forget about Mackinnon! No matter what the situation though I'd rather see them win and compete or at least lose close ones then give up so we are seeing some good things.

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by transplant99

Im glad they are winning one here and there.

the LAST thing you want a bunch of young guys learning is nothing but to lose games.

I am fully aware that it may be better for a draft pick to lose every game going forward, but there is a huge downside to that, and winning a few at the NHL level helps stem that loser mentality so many here seem to embrace.

I don't see anyone with a loser mentality here and I think that comment is quite insulting to the long time fans of this team.

You want to talk about a loser mentality, look at what the Flames have done over the past 20 years, especially the past five or six. This whole idea of just trying to make the post season and see what happens is a loser mentality. The whole idea of trying to build around that one guy, instead of building a team, is a loser mentality, especially based on results. The Flames have displayed a loser mentality because they refuse to learn from past mistakes and keep going through the same process time-and-time again hoping for a different result. That's a loser's mentality and it's borderline insane.

The fans here want a new direction. They want some new players worth a damn to cheer for. They want that elusive player the franchise has been incapable of drafting in the past 20 years - a number one center. A few painful couple weeks of losing could produce that player that we've been told for two decades we desperately need. The fans are smart enough to recognize that it is likely worth it to bite the bullet and go through the very short period of losing to earn that player - take a step backward to take several steps forward. That's not a loser mentality. That's the opposite.

[Red Potato Standing By]

So in other words you mean the oilers have a winning mentality?

[FBI]

Baertschi played well!

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by New Era

I don't see anyone with a loser mentality here and I think that comment is quite insulting to the long time fans of this team.

You want to talk about a loser mentality, look at what the Flames have done over the past 20 years, especially the past five or six. This whole idea of just trying to make the post season and see what happens is a loser mentality. The whole idea of trying to build around that one guy, instead of building a team, is a loser mentality, especially based on results. The Flames have displayed a loser mentality because they refuse to learn from past mistakes and keep going through the same process time-and-time again hoping for a different result. That's a loser's mentality and it's borderline insane.

The fans here want a new direction. They want some new players worth a damn to cheer for. They want that elusive player the franchise has been incapable of drafting in the past 20 years - a number one center. A few painful couple weeks of losing could produce that player that we've been told for two decades we desperately need. The fans are smart enough to recognize that it is likely worth it to bite the bullet and go through the very short period of losing to earn that player - take a step backward to take several steps forward. That's not a loser mentality. That's the opposite.

Hoping for "your longtime team" as a fan(I guess i dont qualify for such a lofty title) to lose games.....is by definition a loser mentality.

Im sorry you are offended but its the truth....and again this is about those very guys you want to see in the future...winning here and there is a GOOD thing for them, no other way to put it.

As for the rest of your rant...sure... but has nothing to do with what i said.

[Puppet Guy]

dull game to watch in person, but it was a good time. My niece's first game is an OT win and she left the game all smiles!

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Caged Great

Don't get me wrong, I'm happy that all the under 25 players are playing well. I'm thrilled that they are all looking like NHL players moving forward.

It's just that we desperately need a potential franchise player type among our prospects and that won't be feasible if we're picking 6th or 7th (unless we risk Nichushkin).

I don't want the Flames to become Edmonton (prolonged sucking), so we need to be able to get some elite talent in this team somehow, as we are seeing the emergence of some really good secondary players (Horak, Reinhart, Backlund)

You don't want to be like Edmonton, so you are suggesting we need to tank to the bottom like Edmonton?

[bubbsy]

loser mentality? we have under 10 games here to finally get a franchise player (we do not have one, and the draft is the ONLY way to do it people).

Good on the kids on playing well, but geez the last thing the flames can do is lose out on drafting one of the big 3.

We can cheer all we want for the kids doing well, over achieving and getting some wins, but no one is going to give a rats arse, heck even remember these meaningless games come draft day when we don't get any of mackinnon, droin, jones.

I really wish they lost last night, and beat down the oilers, but now, here's to hoping the oilers win tonight.

[StrykerSteve]

Originally Posted by Dion

Great pic lol

[sun]

Originally Posted by VladtheImpaler

Stupid useless win by a stupid, useless franchise. Yes, I am bitter - so tired of this team which can't do anything properly. The great white whale (franchise C) is slipping away.

umad?

[Ark2]

Originally Posted by transplant99

Hoping for "your longtime team" as a fan(I guess i dont qualify for such a lofty title) to lose games.....is by definition a loser mentality.

Im sorry you are offended but its the truth....and again this is about those very guys you want to see in the future...winning here and there is a GOOD thing for them, no other way to put it.

As for the rest of your rant...sure... but has nothing to do with what i said.

LOL

You are so delusional. The Leafs and Oilers have won games "here and there" at the end of the season for the past decade. Please explain to me how that was good for them. I'd say that at least 90% of the roster that is currently playing right now won't be anywhere near this team by the time they are actually ready to compete for the Stanley Cup. This whole loser mentality thing is nonsense. If a player can't shake off a losing streak and becomes so irrevocably damaged because they lost a handful of games during a meaningless season then that player is a loser and won't ever be successful at the NHL level anyway. Cheer for wins now if that floats your boat, but don't hold it against fans that actually care about this team and want to see some tangible success in the future.

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by transplant99

Hoping for "your longtime team" as a fan(I guess i dont qualify for such a lofty title) to lose games.....is by definition a loser mentality.

Im sorry you are offended but its the truth....and again this is about those very guys you want to see in the future...winning here and there is a GOOD thing for them, no other way to put it.

As for the rest of your rant...sure... but has nothing to do with what i said.

I guess we have very different definitions of what a loser mentality is, which is fine. To me, a loser mentality is doing the same things over and over again, to achieve sub-par to failing results, and suggesting that is satisfactory. This mentality takes years to develop. It is not developed over a six week period. This is what the Flames have done over the past 10-15 years. Outside of that glorious run to the finals, and a division crown the following year, the Flames have been a loser organization. This isn't something that just happened recently and is a result of fan desire for a top draft pick. This has taken years of work to build this loser mentailty.

Some of us fans do see a light at the end of the tunnel. This team has finally figured out asset management (sort of) and has set the team up for a very good result in the draft. To do this they just need to lose a few more games than this lost (shortened) season. The expectation is for this team to get better because of these few losses and become competitive next season or the season after that. No expectations of loses next year, quite the opposite. We expect big improvements, especially if the 20 year excuse of not having a franchise center is ripped from the lexicon of the management team. We are not Oiler fans and asking for several years of sucking and tanking to grab three straight top picks. We're only asking that the Flames take advantage of the precarious position they find themselves and finally get that elusive top three pick and garner that franchise center or winger to support the cast of young players coming up in the ranks.

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by New Era

I guess we have very different definitions of what a loser mentality is, which is fine. To me, a loser mentality is doing the same things over and over again, to achieve sub-par to failing results, and suggesting that is satisfactory. This mentality takes years to develop. It is not developed over a six week period. This is what the Flames have done over the past 10-15 years. Outside of that glorious run to the finals, and a division crown the following year, the Flames have been a loser organization. This isn't something that just happened recently and is a result of fan desire for a top draft pick. This has taken years of work to build this loser mentailty.

Some of us fans do see a light at the end of the tunnel. This team has finally figured out asset management (sort of) and has set the team up for a very good result in the draft. To do this they just need to lose a few more games than this lost (shortened) season. The expectation is for this team to get better because of these few losses and become competitive next season or the season after that. No expectations of loses next year, quite the opposite. We expect big improvements, especially if the 20 year excuse of not having a franchise center is ripped from the lexicon of the management team. We are not Oiler fans and asking for several years of sucking and tanking to grab three straight top picks. We're only asking that the Flames take advantage of the precarious position they find themselves and finally get that elusive top three pick and garner that franchise center or winger to support the cast of young players coming up in the ranks.

Thats EXACTLY what you would be...as that is exactly what they have been doing for years..."Fail for Nail"!! "Fall for Hall"!!!....its ridiculous.

But then again...im "delusional".

[VladtheImpaler]

Originally Posted by transplant99

Thats EXACTLY what you would be...as that is exactly what they have been doing for years..."Fail for Nail"!! "Fall for Hall"!!!....its ridiculous.

But then again...im "delusional".

I'd rather Fail for Nail than Strive for 8th. This (ours) franchise is pathetic (post-Fletcher and excepting the years when Darryl coached) - what kind of a loser has a goal of finishing 8th? For a cap-max team, the goal should always be to win the division (and therefore be a Cup contender). Anything short of that, sell-off at deadline, re-tool and try again. Just do what SJ does - that's all I ask. 1st or 30th - nothing in between.

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by VladtheImpaler

I'd rather Fail for Nail than Strive for 8th. This (ours) franchise is pathetic (post-Fletcher and excepting the years when Darryl coached) - what kind of a loser has a goal of finishing 8th? For a cap-max team, the goal should always be to win the division (and therefore be a Cup contender). Anything short of that, sell-off at deadline, re-tool and try again. Just do what SJ does - that's all I ask. 1st or 30th - nothing in between.

No insult, but this is the dumbest thing I've ever read. By your logic the 2004 Flames should have sold everything off and started over.

Your also saying that the Kings should have dumped everything off last year and retooled.

I get the losing mentallity, I don't have any respect for the whole losing on purpose mentality. for years we laughed and looked in disgust at the Oilers, now we're advocating.

I'd be happy with the Flames getting a top pick, but not at the cost of the franchises integrity and the fans integrity.

[VladtheImpaler]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

No insult, but this is the dumbest thing I've ever read. By your logic the 2004 Flames should have sold everything off and started over.

Your also saying that the Kings should have dumped everything off last year and retooled.

I get the losing mentallity, I don't have any respect for the whole losing on purpose mentality. for years we laughed and looked in disgust at the Oilers, now we're advocating.

I'd be happy with the Flames getting a top pick, but not at the cost of the franchises integrity and the fans integrity.

No offense , but the 2004 Flames are irrelevant - that was pre-cap and pre-parity (dollar). Last year's Kings are the worst thing that could have happened for the Flames - these buffoons now have an excuse for always being mediocre - "just need to get in and anything can happen".

[MrMastodonFarm]

Originally Posted by VladtheImpaler

No offense , but the 2004 Flames are irrelevant - that was pre-cap and pre-parity (dollar). Last year's Kings are the worst thing that could have happened for the Flames - these buffoons now have an excuse for always being mediocre - "just need to get in and anything can happen".

Yeah, okay.