What is Wrong with People

[polak]

Originally Posted by PsYcNeT

Likely, witness testimony.

Seems like a solid defense then in this case as the witnesses are probably limited and can't remember much.

Do you even consider the testimony of those involved if they were too drunk to be allowed to consent?

[Burninator]

Originally Posted by polak

This was skipped over earlier but I am truely curious... What would happen if one of these guys turned around and said she raped him?

Both were underage, too drunk to make an informed decision but consented at the time (hypothetically) and both had pictures floated around. Why take one persons word over the other?

In the midst of being raped by 3 other guys she somehow rapes a separate 4th guy? Seems logical. Good question.

[polak]

Originally Posted by Burninator

In the midst of being raped by 3 other guys she somehow rapes a separate 4th guy? Seems logical. Good question.

You seem to be forgetting that in this hypothetical situation there is equal drunken consent at the time by all 5 people involved. Only after when they sober up do they feel like they have been raped.

A guy can't feel violated and taken advantage of the next day?

[Swarly]

Originally Posted by polak

This was skipped over earlier but I am truely curious... What would happen if one of these guys turned around and said she raped him?

Both were underage, too drunk to make an informed decision but consented at the time (hypothetically) and both had pictures floated around. Why take one persons word over the other?

Well for one, it is impossible for a man to get raped. (at least that is what I hear from some CP posters in the other rape thread)

[PsYcNeT]

M.r.a! M.r.a! M.r.a!

[valo403]

Originally Posted by polak

You seem to be forgetting that in this hypothetical situation there is equal drunken consent at the time by all 5 people involved. Only after when they sober up do they feel like they have been raped.

A guy can't feel violated and taken advantage of the next day?

I understand your point, but you're definitely getting carried away.

[polak]

Oh I know, I was hoping a lawyer or some well versed in the matter would chime in to shoot this down. I'm just wondering what would happen.

[J epworth]

Originally Posted by polak

Oh I know, I was hoping a lawyer or some well versed in the matter would chime in to shoot this down. I'm just wondering what would happen.

Quoting again my law school girlfriend to your earlier question of "One party can reneg using alcohol as an excuse and the other cannot. What if they both claim rape? Plausable?"

She said: "no... the crown would have to choose which charges to move forward with, its the same as a murder.... you cannot say you were so drunk you didn't know what you were doing....but the victim can still be drunk enough to have gotten into the situation...

Basically... yes there is a concern that a complainant is lying because she is embarrassed but there are WAAAAAAAy more hoops and awful trials she would have to go through so that would be very rare...The court still needs to accept her story... if she is uncredible than there would be no actus reus

There is so much more than just a he said/she said drunken night accusations... there is a very detailed process and it is very complicated to protect an accused's s.7 and s.11(d) charter rights...the mental fault is subjective basically to prevent an innocent person from going to jail, if they honestly believed consent was there...long story.. also whoever you are arguing with is slightly offensive"

[polak]

didn't mean to offend. I really didn't know what you (she?) were (was) trying to convey.

[J epworth]

Originally Posted by polak

didn't mean to offend. I really didn't know what you were trying to convey.

Haha no I was just quoting my gf from my iMessage earlier, I decided to keep her comment from the end of the message in as a little joke.

[ynwa03]

Originally Posted by polak

Oh I know, I was hoping a lawyer or some well versed in the matter would chime in to shoot this down. I'm just wondering what would happen.

*Shoots it down*

[polak]

Originally Posted by J epworth kendal

Haha no I was just quoting my gf from my iMessage earlier, I decided to keep her comment from the end of the message in as a little joke.

Haha now I get it.

Crap. My offensive attitude is so bad it reverberates through CP users and into the real world.

[Daradon]

Originally Posted by FanIn80

The most disturbing thing about this story is that, in this day and age, the word "slut" is still held in such regard that people will kill themselves over the use of it. I don't know all the particulars of the case. I don't know if it was rape or not, but that's not the point that I'm discussing here. I'm talking about this notion that other people should be able to project their own sexual hangups to such a level, that it actually leads someone to take their own life over it.

You know what? I don't give a rat's ass if a chick in high school decides to blow the entire friggin basketball team in their dressing room. Who seriously gives a sh*t? It's her life, it's her mouth, it's her body. I also don't give a rat's ass if some other chick in high school would never in a million years ever dream about even something as simple as wearing an open-collared shirt to school. Who cares? It's her life, it's her clothes, it's her body.

It's just sex. Get over your friggin hangups, tell your parents to stfu about what society does or doesn't like and most importantly... mind your own friggin business.

Stop harassing other people for the decisions they make. Instead, how about you go out and start making some decisions for yourselves. That way, when you finally do turn into an adult, you'll have already learned a few lessons on your own, and you won't continue to perpetuate this insane level of ######edness down to your children.

Imagine being able to go to school, and nobody gives a sh*t about how tall you are, what color your skin is, whether or not you've ever had sex (and who it was with)... and instead were just simply interested in whether or not you wanted get a burger for lunch, wanted to go to a movie tonight, were able to understand wtf your teacher was talking about in math class. Doesn't that sound so much simpler? So much more laid back and easier to deal with?

Well, it's not going to happen while having sex with people makes you a "slut" and being a "slut" means you have to kill yourself.

Like others I agree with you, however, it may never change too much in these age groups. I think we are on the right track historically in adult life, both that we pay attention to the words we say AND that we take them less seriously, but I think if your expecting this level or maturity from teens even as a society, you might be waiting a while. :/

The big thing is to support them, with things like with the 'it gets better' campaign, and making sure we listen very carefully when it comes to things like abuse. I would also suggest while some bullying campaigns have been very effective, we may need the laws to catch up to the internet aspect of it. Course, that's been suggested for a while.

Probably the most important thing is just to listen, because teens aren't going to be very forthcoming with the information to begin with.

[Dion]

Paul Dunn · Top Commenter · Windsor, Ontario

Whether or not the hackers are right or wrong - a beautiful young girl is sadly gone from this world. Her parents won't ever get to see, hear or touch their baby again. I wouldn't count on the scumbags turning themselves in if the guilt of her death hasn't brought them forward, then it's a safe bet that nothing will (willingly). Maybe the threat of having their names revealed just might. IF it goes as far as having their names revealed, then maybe, just maybe, they'll get a taste of what that poor girl went through. Anything else that happens to them is gravy.

Gerald Norris · Top Commenter · Keyboard Player at Anonymous

I am proud to be a full member of The Anonymous Hacking Group Since 2003 & we went from the web site 4chan & now today we fight for everyone's rights world wide and we are behind this 100% for Rehtaeh's Justice? Also to mention the main Hacking Group is " LulzSec" & it is the actual workings of The Hackers here at Anonymous and we working together are unstoppable World Wide' It's no joke... You can go and you tube Our Anonymous & LulzSec's recent message about operation Israel v2.0 right now as we do deal with civil rights all over the world? But Today Anonymous says it's Rehtaeh's Justice.


http://blogs.windsorstar.com/2013/04...e-of-n-s-teen/

[polak]

Yes Paul, because you and anonymous are so in touch with the situation and you know exactly who and what drove her to suicide and are fully capable of being the judge, jury and executioner.

Comment section infuriate me.

[Nyah]

Allegations & conflict aside, this story is absolutely tragic. I think we should stop calling it 'bullying', like it's under some umbrella of adolescent mischief and call it was it really is: criminal harassment. The fact that kids out there are still being harassed to the point of suicide is mind blowing.

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by Nyah

Allegations & conflict aside, this story is absolutely tragic. I think we should stop calling it 'bullying', like it's under some umbrella of adolescent mischief and call it was it really is: criminal harassment. The fact that kids out there are still being harassed to the point of suicide is mind blowing.

Stephen Harper came out and said that exact thing last night when he was talking about this situation.

Maybe the topic of Cyberbullying will get some real traction and we'll see some real change and this poor girl can rest a little easier.

[RedMileDJ]

Similar story out of California.

http://www.cnn.com/2013/04/12/justic...html?hpt=hp_t2

[Senator Clay Davis]

Originally Posted by Red-Mile-DJ

Similar story out of California.

http://www.cnn.com/2013/04/12/justic...html?hpt=hp_t2

Jesus Christ. This is why Anonymous needs to do what they do, these people who taunt and bully are doing so only to make their own pathetic lives feel better, so I'm 100% cool with Anon ruining these peoples lives, since they wish to do the same to the people they bully. Turnabout is a fair play in these cases.

[Reaper]

Originally Posted by Red-Mile-DJ

Similar story out of California.

http://www.cnn.com/2013/04/12/justic...html?hpt=hp_t2

The thing that bothered me about the news report was when the reporter described the rape as "taking advantage of the girl" and "the attack". Not once was the word rape used in the video.