The Drive for 30th

[Five-hole]

Originally Posted by Yoho

Tampa winning tonight makes me feel a bit better for Colorado sandbagging last night

The Flames still control their destiny. They just have to lose the games they can lose and not worry about whether other teams around them are losing too. Just take it one loss at a time.

[You Need a Thneed]

For a change in the draft, how about keeping the same percentages as current for the first overall pick, but then have a separate lottery for the 4th overall pick that is ordered in reverse, so that the non-playoff team who had the best record has the best chance to move up.

For example:

the first lottery happens: the 2nd last team overall wins, so they pick first. The last place team overall then picks second, and the third last team picks third. Then the second lottery happens, and the 9th place in conference team happens to win that lottery with their 25% chance - they will have the fourth overall pick. Then the remaining teams pick in order, worst to best.

That way there is a reward for both ends of the spectrum.

[Wolven]

Originally Posted by You Need a Thneed

For a change in the draft, how about keeping the same percentages as current for the first overall pick, but then have a separate lottery for the 4th overall pick that is ordered in reverse, so that the non-playoff team who had the best record has the best chance to move up.

For example:

the first lottery happens: the 2nd last team overall wins, so they pick first. The last place team overall then picks second, and the third last team picks third. Then the second lottery happens, and the 9th place in conference team happens to win that lottery with their 25% chance - they will have the fourth overall pick. Then the remaining teams pick in order, worst to best.

That way there is a reward for both ends of the spectrum.

Perhaps it is just me but I think one lottery per draft is enough. I'm not really a fan of the new system where any team outside of the playoffs can end up with the 1st overall pick. I would have rather they had kept a limit to how far a team can move up but perhaps increase the limit from 4 to 6 or 8 spots.

I dislike the idea of tanking for the 1st pick but I do think the 30th place team should have more than a 25% chance of keeping the 1st pick.

Its really going to annoy me if a team below the Flames wins, especially if it is one of the bubble teams.

[Bunk]

Originally Posted by Five-hole

The Flames still control their destiny. They just have to lose the games they can lose and not worry about whether other teams around them are losing too. Just take it one loss at a time.

That made me laugh quite a bit.

[The Fonz]

Originally Posted by Fischy13

Umm, I don't think that's accurate. Only teams that don't make the playoffs can win and move to first overall. From what I've read anyways.

Right. I guess I worded it strange, but I meant the top 16 placed teams are in the playoffs, then there is a 42% chance the lotto winner is placed somewhere in the 17th-27th range, and a 58% chance they're placed 28th-30th overall.

[StrykerSteve]

Calgary has finally caught up to Florida in Games Played

[Ashasx]

Still 4 more ROWs than Florida. That is impressive.

[FlameZilla]

New Jersey has lost 8 in a row??? They must really want one of these lottery picks...

[FanningTheFlames]

Not sure if this is the thread to discuss the lottery system or the other one but I just read an idea that I really like:

Kevin Radowits 37 days ago
Last year at the MIT sports conference Adam Gold had a better concept than using a lottery to determine draft order. Basically once a team is mathematically eliminated from the playoffs they start collecting points (through wins) towards winning first pick overall.

A team like Columbus gets mathematically eliminated early, giving them more chances to get wins to count towards their draft position. A team that barely misses the playoffs get very few games to get points towards draft position.

Once a team is out of the playoffs, they now have a new reason to try to win every single game.

Every game in the season would be important to every team. It beats the disincentive of dumb luck working against you.

http://www.nhl.com/ice/news.htm?id=658503

[VladtheImpaler]

the magic number is 17

[St. Pats]

Go Avs go. One more win for them. Flames manage to win zero for the rest of the season and top spot is ours.

[Saqe]

Originally Posted by FanningTheFlames

Not sure if this is the thread to discuss the lottery system or the other one but I just read an idea that I really like:


http://www.nhl.com/ice/news.htm?id=658503

The problem that comes to my mind is that when the suckiest team is mathematically eliminated from the playoffs is when there aren´t many games left anymore. Heck, the Flames are second worst team in the league and they still are going to have a mathematical chance of making the playoffs until almost the end, because the point system doesn´t really create separation between teams. Even though this is a good idea, in reality I don´t see it having so much effect.

[Rhettzky]

Originally Posted by Saqe

The problem that comes to my mind is that when the suckiest team is mathematically eliminated from the playoffs is when there aren´t many games left anymore. Heck, the Flames are second worst team in the league and they still are going to have a mathematical chance of making the playoffs until almost the end, because the point system doesn´t really create separation between teams. Even though this is a good idea, in reality I don´t see it having so much effect.

Yeah, not only that but if you are a crappy team some magical date isn't going to change the fact that you can't win games. Especially at the end of the season when the rest of the teams are all trying to get into the playoffs.

[bubbsy]

Originally Posted by FanningTheFlames

Not sure if this is the thread to discuss the lottery system or the other one but I just read an idea that I really like:


http://www.nhl.com/ice/news.htm?id=658503

as stated in other threads/posts, this sort of defeats the purpose of the draft. the worst teams in the league need the opportunity to better themselves, and the draft provides the biased means to do that.

I do think a rule that a team picking #1 can't land in the same spot for X years again is important (ie. the Oilers rule).

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by FanningTheFlames

Not sure if this is the thread to discuss the lottery system or the other one but I just read an idea that I really like:

Quote:
Kevin Radowits 37 days ago
Last year at the MIT sports conference Adam Gold had a better concept than using a lottery to determine draft order. Basically once a team is mathematically eliminated from the playoffs they start collecting points (through wins) towards winning first pick overall.

A team like Columbus gets mathematically eliminated early, giving them more chances to get wins to count towards their draft position. A team that barely misses the playoffs get very few games to get points towards draft position.

Once a team is out of the playoffs, they now have a new reason to try to win every single game.

Every game in the season would be important to every team. It beats the disincentive of dumb luck working against you.

http://www.nhl.com/ice/news.htm?id=658503

This idea completely ignores the fact that teams would be motivated to tank until they got to the point of being mathematically eliminated (you would want to get there as quick as possible). All it changes is the motivation for the last few games.

[troutman]

Originally Posted by FanningTheFlames

Not sure if this is the thread to discuss the lottery system or the other one but I just read an idea that I really like:


http://www.nhl.com/ice/news.htm?id=658503

Interesting - I proposed the other day that once a team is eliminated, all wins thereafter count 0 points, and all losses 2 points.

[Komskies]

We can be 30th by the end of the night if both COL and FLA win their games.

[3 Justin 3]

Originally Posted by Komskies

We can be 30th by the end of the night if both COL and FLA win their games.

We also need Carolina to freaking play hockey and win a game.

Forget Colorado and the Panthers, Carolina is out sucking all of us at much greater rate. You have to think they will snap their terrible ways soon, but with 9 games left, they could very well go 0-9.

[nik-]

Carolina's schedule is rougher too. I think they're going to be last.

[MissTeeks]

And now Ellis is hurt:

http://cardiaccane.com/2013/04/10/wa...ellis-injured/

I don't imagine Ward will be back in time, even though he skated yesterday.