Flames 2013 Draft Discussion

[IamNotKenKing]

Originally Posted by _Q_

So 2014 1st + 2013 St. Louis 1st + Baertschi + one of Cammalleri/Tanguay/Stajan/Stempniak for a top 5 pick?

Would anyone do that?

I would.

WAY too much! In my opinion.

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by _Q_

So 2014 1st + 2013 St. Louis 1st + Baertschi + one of Cammalleri/Tanguay/Stajan/Stempniak for a top 5 pick?

Would anyone do that?

I would.

Nope because our 2014 1st is likely top 5, and Baertschi is a top 10 pick equivalent. Not worth giving up a top5-10, a top 10, and a 15-20 for a top 5 this year.

[shutout]

Best case scenario is for the Flames to finish with the first overall pick because it opens up a ton of potential trade scenarios.

Easiest is to swap picks with Colorado for their second and fourth round picks then take MacKinnon or Barkov with the second overall selection.

A more dangerous gamble would be to swap it with Philadelphia (if they have the 6-7 pick) for Couturier and then draft either Lindholm, Monahan, or Nichushkin.

The most dangerous gamble would be to swap with Columbus (8-9 pick) and get the first round picks from the Rangers and Kings along with Boone Jenner. Then hope that Lindholm, Monahan, Nichushkin, or Nurse are available. Then use the extra two picks to look at players like Gauthier, Lazar, Mantha, or Horvat. Then use the Blues and Penguins picks to grab players like Mueller, Erne, Zadorov, Ristolainen, or Hagg.

The Flames have a pretty bare high end prospects cupboard and with some luck and some balls could set up the next decade quite nicely with this draft. The more opportunities to bring in pieces this year that can play at a high level the easier to rebuild will be instead of only grabbing one elite player a year for the next 3-5 years.

I would also throw the 2014 first round pick into the mix for some sort of deal that nets a top 5 pick back in return. Maybe something with Tampa Bay since they are going to need some help with the salary cap.

[Muta]

Originally Posted by albertGQ

Then why would you be absolutely angry?

Hahahaha whoops... you know what I mean

[Flames Draft Watcher]

Originally Posted by _Q_

So 2014 1st + 2013 St. Louis 1st + Baertschi + one of Cammalleri/Tanguay/Stajan/Stempniak for a top 5 pick?

Would anyone do that?

I would.

Too much IMO

Shouldn't take more than 2014 1st + Baertschi/Gaudreau or 2014 1st + Giordano.

[$ven27]

Originally Posted by _Q_

So 2014 1st + 2013 St. Louis 1st + Baertschi + one of Cammalleri/Tanguay/Stajan/Stempniak for a top 5 pick?

Would anyone do that?

I would.

No. Sam Reinhart/Ekblad, Gauthier/Mantha/Zykov + Baertschi +Cammy/Tangs/Stemp/Stajan for Barkov? That is MASSIVE over payment and management should be fired if they did that. 1 step forward, 2 steps back.

[sun]

I'm opposed to drafting Jones, because you just don't draft based on junior chemistry. We've learned that lesson in the past. I know he's looked good playing alongside Wotherspoon, but there's no guarantee that chemistry will transfer to the big leagues.

[neo45]

Originally Posted by sun

I'm opposed to drafting Jones, because you just don't draft based on junior chemistry. We've learned that lesson in the past. I know he's looked good playing alongside Wotherspoon, but there's no guarantee that chemistry will transfer to the big leagues.

I don't think any scout has ranked Jones highly because of chemistry, he was highly touted before he went to Portland, and he didn't become the consensus #1 until after the WJC where he played against Wotherspoon, not with him

Crazy reason to be opposed to drafting him. Management definitely isn't even factoring in the fact that he played with Wotherspoon when making this huge decision

[Canada 02]

Originally Posted by sun

I'm opposed to drafting Jones, because you just don't draft based on junior chemistry. We've learned that lesson in the past. I know he's looked good playing alongside Wotherspoon, but there's no guarantee that chemistry will transfer to the big leagues.

you might be the first person to mention 'chemistry' between Jones and Wotherspoon.

I don't think anyone would suggest that to be the reason to draft Jones, but rather because Jones is a terrific prospect

[Roof-Daddy]

All these prospects look so good.....hard to choose which one to hope for. I want all of them to be Flames property.

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by Phanuthier

Lets not forget Chris Butler!

I wish I could.

[StrykerSteve]

I don't believe Wotherspoon and Jones play together.

Wotherspoon certainly doesn't play the PP, while Jones is a mainstay on that unit.

[3 Justin 3]

Originally Posted by StrykerSteve

I don't believe Wotherspoon and Jones play together.

Wotherspoon certainly doesn't play the PP, while Jones is a mainstay on that unit.

Wotherspoon and Jones are partners 5-5.

[Cowperson]

Originally Posted by dammage79

You cannot lose with any of the top five picks . . . . . .

Sure you can.

Just saying.

Percentage wise, they're probably not all going to be superstars. One or more might be a bit of a dud too.

There's also various degrees of winning . . . . a gonzo home run, a decent first line player, a second line player . . . . .

You want the gonzo home run.

Cowperson

[Tinordi]

Originally Posted by Cowperson

Sure you can.

Just saying.

Percentage wise, they're probably not all going to be superstars. One or more might be a bit of a dud too.

There's also various degrees of winning . . . . a gonzo home run, a decent first line player, a second line player . . . . .

You want the gonzo home run.

Cowperson

I like to call it a Canseco third decker.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by Cowperson

Sure you can.

Just saying.

Percentage wise, they're probably not all going to be superstars. One or more might be a bit of a dud too.

There's also various degrees of winning . . . . a gonzo home run, a decent first line player, a second line player . . . . .

You want the gonzo home run.

Cowperson

Based on the odds, there is bust (or disappointment) potential in most drafts for a top 5 pick. It's never a sure thing like you said.

[saillias]

Originally Posted by _Q_

So 2014 1st + 2013 St. Louis 1st + Baertschi + one of Cammalleri/Tanguay/Stajan/Stempniak for a top 5 pick?

Would anyone do that?

I would.

You are seriously overvaluing the top 5 pick there. One of Baertschi or the 2014 pick would be enough... If I was GM of another team, I might say "hey, Calgary's finishing last next year for sure."

[sun]

Originally Posted by neo45

I don't think any scout has ranked Jones highly because of chemistry, he was highly touted before he went to Portland, and he didn't become the consensus #1 until after the WJC where he played against Wotherspoon, not with him

Crazy reason to be opposed to drafting him. Management definitely isn't even factoring in the fact that he played with Wotherspoon when making this huge decision

Originally Posted by Canada 02

you might be the first person to mention 'chemistry' between Jones and Wotherspoon.

I don't think anyone would suggest that to be the reason to draft Jones, but rather because Jones is a terrific prospect

Failed attempt at humour. Carry on!

[Bingo]

I wonder if you could search back over time ... sort out the "deep drafts" from the regular drafts (2003 for example), then look at the success rate for the top five picks?

That would be interesting

[3 Justin 3]

The more videos and highlights I see of Barkov the more I want him. Then I'll watch MacKinnon just skate around players like their in Timbits hockey and I want MacKinnon.

I like Drouin, but I don't think he'll be able to pull off half of his moves he does in the NHL, sure he can make junior defenders look like plugs, most are, but NHL d-man will eat him alive.