The Drive for 30th

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by JiriHrdina

With the draft lottery finishing last certainly doesnt assure you if the first pick

Yeah its actually 75% chance you don't...but 100% chance you pick in the top 2

[bucksmasher]

I don't think Colorado is going to win many more games

[Hockey_Ninja]

Originally Posted by bucksmasher

I don't think Colorado is going to win many more games

We play them tomorrow...

[Yoho]

Any way we can give Babchuck top pairing minutes in Monday's game?

[Ashasx]

Anything top 3 is fine for me... I'm not as high on Barkov as some.

But I fully expect the Flames to go on a 5 game winning streak starting tomorrow.

[Mister Yamoto]

I'm really starting to believe. I also like the Flames chances next year. In fact, I see the core of a suck dynasty emerging.

Calgary Flames are the 2007 Oilers. We have just traded our Ryan Smyth for garbage, Next we will draft a Paajarvi and sign a Khabibulin to long term big money.

[Fire]

Originally Posted by Mister Yamoto

I'm really starting to believe. I also like the Flames chances next year. In fact, I see the core of a suck dynasty emerging.

Calgary Flames are the 2007 Oilers. We have just traded our Ryan Smyth for garbage, Next we will draft a Paajarvi and sign a Khabibulin to long term big money.

Well aren't you mister positive.

[troutman]

Don't like teams losing on purpose to get first overall? How about this?

After a team is mathematically eliminated from playoff contention, all future wins for that team could be worth 0 points, and all future losses could be worth 2 points. Forces teams to play to win.

[Oling_Roachinen]

But you got to be careful not to get away from the real reason of the draft order. Bad teams need that opportunity to get a player to turnaround the franchise. The cap has added to the parity, but a truly bad team being punished with a worse draft pick because they can't win is just going to keep them from winning next year. Looks like a bad cycle to get into.

Something like not drafting in the top five 3 years in a row would be alright, that would allow the drafted players to mature and then see if they have an impact on the team. Or give a weight to each pick, say 30 for the first overall and 1 for the 30th pick. A team can't exceed 100 in 4 years, something like that. So 3 first overall picks in a row, causes you to draft at best 10th the following year.

[Rhettzky]

Originally Posted by troutman

Don't like teams losing on purpose to get first overall? How about this?

After a team is mathematically eliminated from playoff contention, all future wins for that team could be worth 0 points, and all future losses could be worth 2 points. Forces teams to play to win.

That would kind of defeat the purpose of awarding the highest picks to the worst teams though. Some teams are just plain bad.

[Calgary4LIfe]

I always felt that a 9th place team should get 'more' than the worst position possible (factoring in a poor draft selection and lack of playoffs/revenue). Those teams should get rewarded for falling short, but working hard to get there.

Perhaps award those teams with a higher percentage of getting a 3-5th overall pick.. Something like that. You still want to give the best possible chance to teams who desperately need the talent, and finish at the bottom of the standings, but I think you should also reward those teams that just fall short as well somehow. Not quite sure how to make it fair, but make some kind of a lottery where they get an increased chance to select higher.

Maybe it is good the way it is after the latest change to the lottery - they have a shot at the 1st over-all now, though odds dictate they will rarely win it. I guess at least they have that 'shot' to hope for.

[The Fonz]

I like what they've done with the lottery. It's fantastic that there is a 42% chance of a team placed 17th-27th overall picking 1st.

[neo45]

Outside the box method I came up with:

I think a lottery should be done for EACH of the first 3 (or 5) picks, with every non-playoff team having an equal chance in the lottery (the team that gets the 1st pick is removed from the draw for the second pick etc.. of course). Any non-playoff team would have a ~23 percent chance at drafting in the top 3.

Then when it comes to 4th (or 6th) overall the draft order continues normally starting with the worst team


It's a weird system but it would take away any incentive for teams to lose games purposely, and teams wouldn't be afraid to end up in "no man's land" of finishing 9th/10th in their conference. It also takes care of the issue of the worst team remaining the worst team, as at the very least they are guarunteed a high pick (4th or 6th depending on the example).


Thoughts? Too complicated?

[CliffFletcher]

Rewarding teams that lose a lot isn't a regrettable side-effect of the draft - it's the whole point. The league wants parity. It doesn't want teams to suck so bad that fans abandon them. The fact that drafting generational talents has saved the Penguins franchise - twice - only strengthens the rationale for rewarding the highest picks to the worst teams.

[Stay Golden]

I am only in favor of that notion if the Oilers are forced by the NHL to waive RNH, Hall, and the Russian tool.

So ya keep it the way it is. Just keep losing Flames, compete hard but lose and that goes for the Oilers just lose. STL keep winning.

[Bend it like Bourgeois]

Originally Posted by neo45

Outside the box method I came up with:

I think a lottery should be done for EACH of the first 3 (or 5) picks, with every non-playoff team having an equal chance in the lottery (the team that gets the 1st pick is removed from the draw for the second pick etc.. of course). Any non-playoff team would have a ~23 percent chance at drafting in the top 3.

Then when it comes to 4th (or 6th) overall the draft order continues normally starting with the worst team

I like it. In fact a draft for every spot 1-14 would be awesome.

I don't buy the idea that some teams need the help, and it would remove the dumb reward for being brutal on purpose.

[lazypucker]

How about a rule stating that after a team get a 1st overall pick, they cannot get another 1st overall pick in the next 3 drafts no matter no much they suck, unless they trade for it.

[Yoho]

Tampa winning tonight makes me feel a bit better for Colorado sandbagging last night

[Fischy13]

Originally Posted by The Fonz

I like what they've done with the lottery. It's fantastic that there is a 42% chance of a team placed 17th-27th overall picking 1st.

Umm, I don't think that's accurate. Only teams that don't make the playoffs can win and move to first overall. From what I've read anyways.

One if the best solutions I've seen presented for setting up draft position is once a team is eliminated (the more they suck, the sooner they are are eliminated) then it turns to the most points accumulated from there which ranks you for draft position. At the end of the day, the worst team gets the head start while still having to try for points and not tanking on purpose. Leaving fans still cheering for wins. Take last night for example, if both Colorado and Calgary were mathematically eliminated, Calgary would be 2 points up on Colorado and rank higher for the 1st overall. Looking at the past week or so, Florida would be winning that race with 4-5 wins. Now, no team has been eliminated yet so the accumulation of points wouldn't start yet. This would also keep teams that don't make the cut on the last day of the regular season from getting any points and still ranking them lowest of non playoff teams. I thought this was a pretty good idea.

[blankall]

Originally Posted by troutman

Don't like teams losing on purpose to get first overall? How about this?

After a team is mathematically eliminated from playoff contention, all future wins for that team could be worth 0 points, and all future losses could be worth 2 points. Forces teams to play to win.

Originally Posted by Rhettzky

That would kind of defeat the purpose of awarding the highest picks to the worst teams though. Some teams are just plain bad.

Thought about this some more and it makes more sense than it initially did. The worst teams are going to be the teams mathmatically eliminated first. They will therfore, get the most chance to score loser points. The 9th place team might not be eliminated until the last day. The truly bad team is still going to get a stab at lots of wins. I think it would definitely make for a more exciting season finale for a lot of teams. Would also discourage the huge sell offs (which I'm not a huge fan of either), as you'd want to keep your team somewhat competitive.