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Old 04-07-2013, 01:05 PM   #61
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If bands really don't like scalpels there is a simple way to crush a lot of them. Scalpers make money because more people want to attend then there are seats available.

They need to announce a show and sell out. The next day they just announce a second date and a third date if necessary. Suddenly the Scalpers are left holding the bag for a ton of seats that are now worth less than they paid. If they started doing that randomly throughout a tour Scalpers would wise up really quickly or go bankrupt.
Garth Brooks has mentioned that out supplying demand (essentially what you're describing) is the best way he's found to combat scalping. But logistically it's not realistic for most acts, heck even the venues.

There's many more moving parts involved in setting up a tour than just the artist saying "oh, this show sold out in 5 seconds, better add three more", there's promoters, transportation booking, crew members, supplies that all need to be considered.

Heck let's just say your a roadie for M&S, you've worked with them for years and there's a mutual respect between you and the artist. Suddenly M&S explodes in popularity and you get the call from management about the North American tour that summer: "Well we'll be visiting 12 cities over 2 months, but we're concerned about scalpers, so we'll be adding shows as we need. So the number of shows you need to work could be 12 or it could be as high as 60, just depends on how many sell out!"

Plus even if they are add extra shows at random, I suspect the scalpers (whom already have tickets before the public sales) would catch wind of these things and seldom get burnt.
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More like a distortion of the market economy by people who insert themselves into a buyer/seller transaction to no one's benefit but their own. Some guy selling a couple tickets he can't use is one thing, companies that buy blocks of tickets and resell them are nothing more than parasites that drag the "market economy" down by creating, maintaining or facilitating nothing.

"But you can get tickets from scalpers you couldn't otherwise obtain!" Yeah, because the scalpers are the ones creating the artificial shortage.
McDonalds sells burgers because they just love to feed people right? Microsoft develops software for the benefit of humanity. Apple just really really loves music.

This is really no different from people reselling Wiis and PS3s at Christmas.

If the concerts sold tickets at actual value this wouldn't be a problem. They (whomever) choses not to. As a result pricing is distorted and scalpers come in to play.

I've been priced out before. It sucks. I'll never get to see Garth in his prime. But scalpers have let me attend events that I wouldn't have had the opportunity to otherwise. I'd never be able to get tickets at Fenway without them.
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Old 04-07-2013, 06:46 PM   #63
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I've been priced out before. It sucks. I'll never get to see Garth in his prime. But scalpers have let me attend events that I wouldn't have had the opportunity to otherwise. I'd never be able to get tickets at Fenway without them.
Here is the thing- without scalpers would tickets to Fenway be so hard to obtain? And without scalpers would you be able to see Garth in his prime?
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Old 04-07-2013, 07:31 PM   #64
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Here is the thing- without scalpers would tickets to Fenway be so hard to obtain? And without scalpers would you be able to see Garth in his prime?
Scalpers dont affect overall demand. If the demand isnt there the price drops as the show approaches. For example NFL preseason games can be had for 10 dollars on stud hub. Nashille Flames on Tuesday cant be sold for face. If there is no demand there is no scalping.

What scalping does do is increase panic and therefore you get temporary price distortions but overall demand remains constant. If anything scalpers reduce demand by raising the price.
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Old 04-07-2013, 07:53 PM   #65
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I guess part of what I am saying is that "panic" increases demand. For example, if there is a show like Garth Brooks that is expected to sell out, if a casual fan happens to get tickets they are less likely to give them up. Or if people know that tickets will be on sale for days, they might think twice about buying. I know I have attended concerts with tickets I bought due to only having minutes to decide. Some of those shows I wouldn't have gone to if there were days or even several hours to decide.
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Old 04-07-2013, 08:03 PM   #66
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I guess part of what I am saying is that "panic" increases demand. For example, if there is a show like Garth Brooks that is expected to sell out, if a casual fan happens to get tickets they are less likely to give them up. Or if people know that tickets will be on sale for days, they might think twice about buying. I know I have attended concerts with tickets I bought due to only having minutes to decide. Some of those shows I wouldn't have gone to if there were days or even several hours to decide.
Couldnt you have easily sold those tickets that you bought and had second thoughts about?

The limited supply may make a concert more of an event though which may increase demand but I dont think that should be blamed on scalpers. It gets into that dangerous territory of evaluating who is more of a fan and who deserves tickets.
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http://jam.canoe.ca/Music/2013/04/16...enn-story.html
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Kid Rock has lifted the lid on the shady practice of ticket re-sales in the music industry, revealing he is guilty of 'scalping' seats to his own shows.

The musician, who recently announced plans for a budget-friendly summer tour, has confessed his team allegedly resold tickets to his concerts on exchange website StubHub.com for more than their retail value.

Rock made the confession in an interview with TV host Piers Morgan, telling the presenter he fears many others artists are making money in the same way.

He says, "I'm going to tell people, a lot of artists already do it. I think I've been guilty of it in the past, too. We take some of our tickets, we put them on StubHub, overcharge with what the market determines they're worth... I'm taking 1,000 of them and I'm scalping them."
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All these poor starving artists have to make up for the money they lose to illegal downloads. How can we as fans live with ourselves?!
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