Should/will Bob Hartley be fired in the off season? [EDIT: A conversation from 2013]

[Resolute 14]

The premise of this thread is about as ridiculous as "should Sven Baertschi's contract be terminated?" would be.

[agulati]

Hartley getting canned will not be good for future prospective applicants. The Flames organization has become sort of a coaching musical chair.

That being said the Flames are going to be a young inexperienced team next year. For that they need coaches who are more developmental in their approach. Some one who can teach the X's and O's to be successful in the big league. Brent Sutter might have been a better fit for a transitional team than Hartley but that bridge has been burnt for the time being.

[nik-]

Originally Posted by Resolute 14

The premise of this thread is about as ridiculous as "should Sven Baertschi's contract be terminated?" would be.

Not even close. Hartley was brought in to presumably squeeze one last drop out of the former core, not to mentor a rebuild.

[AltaGuy]

I think our team defense is really because of personnel more than coaching. Our forwards are literally the absolute worst defensive forwards I've ever seen on an NHL club, and not having proper centers the whole season worsened a bad situation.

Still not prepared to say Hartley is a good coach for this team, but we have to give him next season at the very least.

[Joborule]

Honestly, a lot of people in the front office should be fired. Will they be though? With how hard it was for the owners to finally concede with a rebuild that was coming miles away for years, I would put a fair bit on no one getting fired unfortunately.

[trublmaker]

fired for what? he's had half a season with a heartless team give the guy a chance.

[browna]

Originally Posted by transplant99

Hartley wont be gone until Feaster is gone...not happening anytime soon.

One can hope.

There has to be the right person available first...a strong personality, and a guy that has proven success and is well respected in league circles for Edwards to hand over the keys with similar autonomy to what D. Sutter had for the first 4 years or so of his GM tenure. The easy answer (but not the only one) with that currently is Burke as he checks those boxes.

Internally, Edwards has to realize that himself and King making "suggestions" (don't call it meddling) to the GM, hasn't worked, and that its starting to sour the Flames solid reputation around the league, and that the current GM is tainted because of that "guidance" as well (but half the reason he was hired full time in the first palace was knowing he'd have "guidence" from above). The Flames need a fresh start of a GM, one to be able to stand on his own. He has to step back, and tell King to step back and do what he does best, or else he is out too.

Also, the perception of Feaster around the league, again, for whatever role he plays in the trifecta of power, is dragging down the reputation of the franchise. His bold statements that have fallen short, logistical mixups with ROR and Iginla, and things like Cervenka's true position, are cause enough.

Hartley is somewhat caught in the crossfire...while this team will be younger next year, something I am not sure he's suited to in the first place, it will have some NHL experience. But, I don't think he's the perfect fit for the long term and his association with Feaster likely would have him gone too.

Both him and Feaster will get paid for a year or two to not work....so we can't feel too sorry for them, and they're likely good people.

But, with the new era forced upon us, the franchise's best player gone, likely the franchise's best goalie retiring, and scraping the bottom of the league, there is no time like the present to wipe as much of 2013 out of the memory banks, for the direction on and off the ice, and to rebuild some of the poor reputation this franchise is getting, and straighten things out within the upper management of the Flames.

Let's do that sooner that later, and like a bandage, rip it all off at once rather then poking at the remaining edges, since we already have half of it off.

[cannon7]

I don't see Hartley as the problem. Under him the team has suffered defensively, but that that be attributed as much to goaltending as defensive coverage. Losing Kiprusoff for a large chunk of the reason really hurt this team, it all starts with goaltending, without it the confidence of the team suffers.

Many things have improved under Hartley. The PP has been better than it has been in some time. Team discipline has improvedconsiderably, the Flames have gone from one of the most penalitzed teams in the NHL to the least penalized team.

I give Hartley atleast another season to work with our youngsters. Without Iginla, Hartley can now take the reins in a way that no coach has been able to since D. Sutter. I'm not expecting a huge jump in the standings next season, but I am hopeful that Hartley can get better results. I want to see more team consistency, which hopefully will result in more team confidence, and that can only mean good things for our younger players.

[Otto29]

Can someone explain to me why people post threads like this. Is it to bump post counts? Are they bored? Drunk? Seriously....this shouldn't even be a topic of conversation right now.

[nik-]

Originally Posted by Otto29

Can someone explain to me why people post threads like this. Is it to bump post counts? Are they bored? Drunk? Seriously....this shouldn't even be a topic of conversation right now.

Ironic

[Northendzone]

Yeah, we should not give coaches of this organization any more than 50 games to turn this team around......

[DazzlinDino]

Originally Posted by AltaGuy

I think our team defense is really because of personnel more than coaching. Our forwards are literally the absolute worst defensive forwards I've ever seen on an NHL club, and not having proper centers the whole season worsened a bad situation.

Still not prepared to say Hartley is a good coach for this team, but we have to give him next season at the very least.

Small forwards has been another issue that has hampered overall team defense. I doubt we see a coaching change for awhile unless Feaster is let go at some point.

[Frank MetaMusil]

I'm floored that some want Brent back.

Look at the value players had when Sutter was coaching.

People were talking buyouts for Stajan and Bouwmeester. Phaneuf couldn't even return a 1st rounder. David Moss was the 1st line center for 9 straight games. The 5 dman powerplay. The Boston Massacre, the 9-1 beatdown by the sharks.

Hartley should be allowed to coach his entire contract, just like Brent was.

I wished Edmonton would have picked him over Kruger. I'm more stoked that Comeau can no longer be used by ANY coach going forward.

[FAN]

Hartley deserves to have a full training camp before judgment is passed. Realistically though, I don't think the owners will be all too happy about paying Hartley to not coach the team.

[Frank MetaMusil]

Originally Posted by FAN

Hartley deserves to have a full training camp before judgment is passed. Realistically though, I don't think the owners will be all too happy about paying Hartley to not coach the team.

They had no problem canning Keenan a year early after his back to back playoff appearances. Not to mention his lineups some nights were only 16 players due to "cap jail"

[KootenayFlamesFan]

Originally Posted by Frank MetaMusil

Phaneuf couldn't even return a 1st rounder.

If people didn't like Brent, that's fine........but what did the Phaneuf trade have to do with Brent? That trade was terrible then, it's terrible now.

If you want to blame a Sutter for that trade, blame Darryl.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by KootenayFlamesFan

If people didn't like Brent, that's fine........but what did the Phaneuf trade have to do with Brent? That trade was terrible then, it's terrible now.

If you want to blame a Sutter for that trade, blame Darryl.

Fans can't point to three straight 90+ point seasons as a reason Brent is a bad coach so they grasp at straws and bring up silly things like values of players. Brent was never about individuals having career seasons. Brent was about the team playing as a team and doing the little things right. Sure a lot of players didn't have career seasons under him but the team won more games than they lost and overachieved during his tenure.

[Frank MetaMusil]

Originally Posted by KootenayFlamesFan

If people didn't like Brent, that's fine........but what did the Phaneuf trade have to do with Brent? That trade was terrible then, it's terrible now.

If you want to blame a Sutter for that trade, blame Darryl.

There were many claims that Brent would return Phaneuf to his "glory days" of the Rebels.

You're right, I guess ultimately I should blame Darryl for the trade and for hiring his brother as head coach.

[PIMking]

Hire Brian Burke and let him decide

[puckluck2]

Originally Posted by Otto29

Can someone explain to me why people post threads like this. Is it to bump post counts? Are they bored? Drunk? Seriously....this shouldn't even be a topic of conversation right now.

Then don't post in it. This thread has 4 pages so obviously there is interest. Cry more.