Brian Burke

[nik-]

And I mentioned it in the other thread, but what about Hakan Loob? Nill or Loob ... or both!

[kyuss275]

Originally Posted by Canada 02

Jim Nill has a 6 week window each summer when he can pursue GM positions around the league.

He's the man to do this rebuild. Bring him back to the city of Calgary

Does he? I thought there was a clause that Nill could not sign with any club for any position for "x" amount of years if he quits?

If not, i would be all for getting Jim Nill.

I wish Feaster had traded a couple more vets at the deadline. This would have enabled the Flames to do a deeper search for the next gm and look at some rookie gm's. There are still a couple of assets left on the flames and i don't want a new rookie getting taken to town on one of his first transactions.

[Ashasx]

Nill would be ideal, but all reports say he loves his situation in Detroit. Maybe if the Wings miss the playoffs...

2nd best option would be Burke.

But I really don't expect Feaster to be let go, and if he is, I see Weisbrod taking the job without any other interviews.

Or, as said, we could go with a rookie GM like Montreal did. But who's out there?

[Canada 02]

Originally Posted by kyuss275

Does he? I thought there was a clause that Nill could not sign with any club for any position for "x" amount of years if he quits?

If not, i would be all for getting Jim Nill.

I wish Feaster had traded a couple more vets at the deadline. This would have enabled the Flames to do a deeper search for the next gm and look at some rookie gm's. There are still a couple of assets left on the flames and i don't want a new rookie getting taken to town on one of his first transactions.

he interviewed for the Habs GM position last summer, and said at that time he wants to be an NHL GM

http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/teams/story/?i...=nhl-canadiens

from 2012

While Nill doesn't have an out clause in his contract this season, there are different out clauses in each of the four remaining years of his contract.
"My goal is to become a general manager," Nill told milve.com. "There will be opportunities down the road."

[moon]

Originally Posted by Reign of Fire

finally someone agrees. Flames definitely need to consider this guy. We need someone that can have long term success here

I think almost everyone agrees but most don't think there is a chance that he will come here.

Originally Posted by nik-

And I mentioned it in the other thread, but what about Hakan Loob? Nill or Loob ... or both!

Only concern with Loob is he left NA once already for Europe. Perhaps now that his kids are grown he will consider leaving but he does seem to be a guy that is very happy with his current job with his hometown team.

[CliffFletcher]

Paul Fenton is what this team needs.

[Flash Walken]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

Paul Fenton is what this team needs.

Does he want the job though?

Don't know if it's an attractive destination at this point.

[Dagger]

Scott Howson is a guy I'm interested in.

http://hfboards.hockeysfuture.com/sh...1389429&page=3

There's a long writeup in that thread, by a guy widely considered to be one of the most intelligent and informed posters on HF.

I see a similar situation here(depleted team, poor prospects) that needs to become well stocked and set up for the future.

[Ark2]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

Pros:

He's experienced.
He doesn't take any crap.
He gives amusing press conferences.

Cons:

He's an egomaniac.
His track record is spotty.
He tends to get distracted and caught up by the media.

His track record is pretty good actually. Not sure what qualifies as spotty. People around here love to criticize the Kessel trade, but if that is his worst trade, that is pretty damn impressive. Even in a losing trade he still got a young, PPG sniper who is currently and has been since the trade was made, better than either Seguin or Hamilton. Long run, Bruins won that trade, but so far I would rather have Kessel. Sorry for the sidetrack, but if Burke's record is "spotty" then there isn't a single GM in the league whose record isn't.

[gpflamesfan]

I really don't get the infatuation so many people have with Burke. I find him to be an irritating and juvenile individual. And a poor gm.

During his tenure with the leaf he did some good but he also made some pretty big errors. Some examples are

- trading the 2 overall pick, 32 overall pick and another 1 rounder for a very good, but not great forward
- signing multiple large contracts for players that were consistently healthy scratches or demoted to the minors (komisarik and Conolly)
- he held onto a terrible coach for way to long

And while not issues per say but very much like Feaster he

- brough in the "best goalie outside the NHL"
- signed a bunch of college players
- brought in a veteran goalie to help kids (people are saying Feaster should not bring back a veteran next year)

In my opinion Feaster is still as good if not a better gm than Burke and deserves to run a rebuild. Heck he was the only gm to get a first rounder in the draft this past deadline. And he got 2. Plus a boatload of cap space.

[moon]

Originally Posted by gpflamesfan

I really don't get the infatuation so many people have with Burke. I find him to be an irritating and juvenile individual. And a poor gm.

During his tenure with the leaf he did some good but he also made some pretty big errors. Some examples are

- trading the 2 overall pick, 32 overall pick and another 1 rounder for a very good, but not great forward
- signing multiple large contracts for players that were consistently healthy scratches or demoted to the minors (komisarik and Conolly)
- he held onto a terrible coach for way to long

He traded for a pick that turned into the 2nd pick much different from trading the 2nd overall pick. Most people did not think that would be the 2nd pick at the time of the deal.

And while not issues per say but very much like Feaster he

- brough in the "best goalie outside the NHL"
- signed a bunch of college players
- brought in a veteran goalie to help kids (people are saying Feaster should not bring back a veteran next year)

In my opinion Feaster is still as good if not a better gm than Burke and deserves to run a rebuild. Heck he was the only gm to get a first rounder in the draft this past deadline. And he got 2. Plus a boatload of cap space.

Best goalie outside of the NHL according to him not most people that follow the KHL.

What is great about signing college players if they do nothing for the NHL team like it appears they will do.

That vet goalie sure is helping a lot.

Did not realize that Feaster was GM of Buffalo as well.

[bucksmasher]

Originally Posted by bubbsy

i would like brian burke.

but flames management don't want a GM, think they want a puppet to spew this 'win now' garbage, so not a good marriage.

This is the truth

[Calgary4LIfe]

I would much rather the Flames consider other options for GM. I would find listening to him to be painful, and I feel he is not cut out for a rebuild.

Toronto - looking at their situation, does anyone consider their rebuild over? What do they have? What impact players do they have? Do you see their trajectory as that of a Stanley Cup contender down the line? I don't think so. They have a very solid chance of getting into the playoffs (minus some implosion of sorts), but nobody has them being a contender this year. Looking at their pipeline, I just don't see enough there to put them over the top at all.

Burke to me is more of a 'finisher' than a builder. He is too aggressive in his rebuilding. Sure, perhaps he would have won a few more trades, but that is over for Calgary. Tanguay and Cammy are not going to return huge pieces. I would be more scared of Burke hastening the rebuild artificially and ending up with not much in the system. Besides... I seriously think he would drive everyone crazy with his media scrums with his personality.

Nil - if he indeed wants to become a GM, that would be my first choice. I didn't know his circumstances had changed.

Hextall - lots of good things are said about this guy. I have no idea if he does have an out-clause or not, but I don't think many teams would say no in having one of their employees take a promotion with another organization. After all, we did 'allow' their Stanley Cup Winning coach to go there.

Loob - No idea about him. On one hand, would be AWESOME to see one of my favorite players of all time start leading the organization. There have been lots and lots of very talented players from the past, and many of them have taken executive positions. Maybe Loob would be great, maybe not... I have no clue as to what he may bring an organization or not.

Kisio - for a rebuild, he may really be a good choice. He has been a GM/Coach of the Hitmen for a long time. Is he seasoned enough to step up to the NHL? Would probably be an ideal situation for him, since he has seen more junior players than anyone else in the entire Flames' org seeing as he has to play against them all the time. I would like him interviewed at least.

Weisbrod - Rebuilding teams are made for this type of GM - one who has been focused on prospects and scouting. Knows the importance of patience and proper diligence from that regard.

I do think there are options. People want Burke because "he wins trades" - well, I don't think the Flames will be making any more big trades for a while, unless Cammy and Tanguay constitute that. The most important thing the Flames have to do for the next 2 years at least is draft as best as possible (and that means retaining Weisbrod at least in a director of scouting position, as it would be horrible to make a lot of changes to the scouting department at this time) and surround the 'future' with decent enough vets to shoulder the burden and be the right type of leaders on this team.

[afc wimbledon]

I really don't get the infatuation so many people have with Burke. /Put together a Canucks team that has constantly made the playoffs, won two presidants trophies and made it to the cup once, won the cup with Anahaim and, it would appear, has turned the Leafs into a respectable team/ I find him to be an irritating and juvenile individual. And a poor gm/ short of walking on water and healing the lame not sure what you expect!.

During his tenure with the leaf he did some good but he also made some pretty big errors. Some examples are

- trading the 2 overall pick, 32 overall pick and another 1 rounder for a very good, but not great forward
- signing multiple large contracts for players that were consistently healthy scratches or demoted to the minors (komisarik and Conolly)
- he held onto a terrible coach for way to long

And while not issues per say but very much like Feaster he

- brough in the "best goalie outside the NHL"
- signed a bunch of college players
- brought in a veteran goalie to help kids (people are saying Feaster should not bring back a veteran next year)

In my opinion Feaster is still as good if not a better gm than Burke and deserves to run a rebuild. Heck he was the only gm to get a first rounder in the draft this past deadline. And he got 2. Plus a boatload of cap space/Feaster isn't as good as Burke if you only compared the Flames to the Leafs, throw in the Ducks abd the Nucks and its no contest.

[FAN]

Originally Posted by Calgary4LIfe

Weisbrod - Rebuilding teams are made for this type of GM - one who has been focused on prospects and scouting. Knows the importance of patience and proper diligence from that regard.

The same man who suggested to Feaster last year that they should trade their 1st round pick?

[Flash Walken]

Originally Posted by FAN

The same man who suggested to Feaster last year that they should trade their 1st round pick?

Who expected Cervenka to be a top 6 centre.

[afc wimbledon]

Originally Posted by Calgary4LIfe

I would much rather the Flames consider other options for GM. I would find listening to him to be painful, and I feel he is not cut out for a rebuild.

Toronto - looking at their situation, does anyone consider their rebuild over? What do they have? What impact players do they have? Do you see their trajectory as that of a Stanley Cup contender down the line? I don't think so. They have a very solid chance of getting into the playoffs (minus some implosion of sorts), but nobody has them being a contender this year. Looking at their pipeline, I just don't see enough there to put them over the top at all.

Burke to me is more of a 'finisher' than a builder. He is too aggressive in his rebuilding. Sure, perhaps he would have won a few more trades, but that is over for Calgary. Tanguay and Cammy are not going to return huge pieces. I would be more scared of Burke hastening the rebuild artificially and ending up with not much in the system. Besides... I seriously think he would drive everyone crazy with his media scrums with his personality.

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I would tend to agree with you but at this point what the Flames need is a GM who will tell the owners and King to pound salt, and despite some of his other shortcomings I would hazard a guess that no one is as skilled at doing that as Burke, of course that is why he won't get the gig and why any GM they bring in will likley be hamstrung from the start

[squiggs96]

Originally Posted by browna

Sutter had the autonomy, and a stand up guy who the upper management laid off of until the fallout Phaneuf deal that next offseason...its been watered down since, and now its Feaster in there who is a puppet of King and Edwards and he's fine with that.

The person has to take no crap from anyone, however King defines meddling. For the big money deals, yes, the owners need to be on side and informed.

Your statements sound like you work within the organization and have witnessed the actions of management and the owners. Is this true? I don't know where you work, so it could be. This isn't meant to be taken as an attack, personal or otherwise. It's more just a question/discussion point.

I have often read on this forum, and other places, that King meddles too much, Feaster is a puppet, etc. I don't see how people can make these statements unless they see it firsthand or have a close acquaintance in or near one of these positions.

I'm not saying King does or does not meddle, or that Sutter did or did not have full autonomy. I'm just asking how specific statements can be made on these people, and be taken as fact, when they are mostly speculation.

[squiggs96]

I'm a no to Brian Burke, and I'm undecided on Feaster. I don't know enough about anyone else out there to have a feeling one way or another on them. I'd love to see the Flames winning games and challenging for the Cup. If someone is out there that can make our team better, I'm all for bringing him in, as long as he is not a canuck.

[Badger Bob]

Yeah, he's abrasive and at time obnoxious, but he reads situations and reacts accordingly. It's understood that nobody wants to hear anything favorable about Vancouver around here, which is the perfect example of how he navigated. The Sedins made it clear that they were only going to play for the same team. Burke realized that he was the only one who could pull it off. We don't know the Flames draft position for this year yet, and this is the type of situation that makes him thrive.

OK, some compromise: hire him as a consultant (similar to what Scotty Bowman does in Chicago) until he gets another full time GM gig. That keeps him out of the spotlight and gives him the opportunity shine behind the scenes.