The Official Fire Feaster Thread

[moon]

Originally Posted by Imported_Aussie

True, but what is to say he does not have the right people here?
It is not like he transported his whole previous regime up here when he took over.

Its possible but considering last time he was a GM he did a horrible job identifying the right people, he has done a horrible job in identifying talent in trades, horrible job in identifying talent in FA and a horrible job of identifying the talent of his own team I am not sure what evidence there would be that this time he would know how or be able to make the right decision and identify the right guys for the scouting department in Calgary.

It is possible and as they say even a blind squirrel finds a nut (or whatever that saying is) but based on his history there doesn't seem like much likelihood that Feaster would identify the right guys or make a good hockey decision.

[neo45]

Originally Posted by Hemi-Cuda

Really? Check his draft record in Tampa (2002-2007):

http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/draft/t...r00008385.html

Can you find an actual NHL player in that list? Because I couldn't

Well I was speaking more to what he has done in Calgary, with the scouting team he has in place here. Makes more sense than looking at what he did with a completely different team of scouts working under a completely different philosophy. Most years in Tampa he either didn't have a first round pick, or he was drafting 29th or 30th overall

[JayP]

Originally Posted by Flames.Central

Hey guys! Been reading the boards for a while now. Finally decided to join to discuss and share opinions with fellow flamers. One of the biggest questions I have regarding the deadline was whether someone from the media asked Feaster about trying to retain salary while trying to unload players? If I remember correctly, Feaster pointed out that due to to the salary cap coming down next season a lot of teams were reluctant to take on huge amounts of salary. If this ownership group is serious about their new "mandate", did they try to retain any salary? Cammy's salary is probably one of the biggest reasons teams are reluctant to trade from him. Anything you guys know that I missed?

It was reported that St. Louis wanted the Flames to eat some J-Bouw's salary for next year and the Flames refused. That says a lot about how committed this team is to a rebuild. There's not a lot of instances where you can pay straight up cash for additional/better picks or prospects.

[JayP]

Originally Posted by neo45

Well I was speaking more to what he has done in Calgary, with the scouting team he has in place here. Makes more sense than looking at what he did with a completely different team of scouts working under a completely different philosophy. Most years in Tampa he either didn't have a first round pick, or he was drafting 29th or 30th overall

He's done absolutely nothing in Calgary. That's not a knock on him - it's just the simple fact that you can't really judge him yet. We all get excited about our prospects, but we did that years ago with guys like Boyd, Wahl, Keetley, etc. too and look how that turned out.

[Flames.Central]

Also, I believe that second team that was inquiring about Kipper was not able to manage his cap hit next season. These are the steps the ownership/management group needs to do in order to convince the fan base that they are committed towards icing a better product. I assume had the agreed to eat some of Cammy's hit next season (around 2-2.5 per) he could of fetched a good return. I don't understand the logic behind having sarich and babchuk in the press box and not being able to retain salary. Then again its not our money.

[neo45]

Originally Posted by JayP

He's done absolutely nothing in Calgary. That's not a knock on him - it's just the simple fact that you can't really judge him yet. We all get excited about our prospects, but we did that years ago with guys like Boyd, Wahl, Keetley, etc. too and look how that turned out.

I mentioned exactly that in the post before, I'm going in circles here

[oldschoolcalgary]

Originally Posted by neo45

Well I was speaking more to what he has done in Calgary, with the scouting team he has in place here. Makes more sense than looking at what he did with a completely different team of scouts working under a completely different philosophy. Most years in Tampa he either didn't have a first round pick, or he was drafting 29th or 30th overall

wait, wasn't he the GM?

I thought the GM was the one that actually set the tone for what to look for, type of player etc?

Feaster's record in TB wrt to drafting was poor. Simple as that. His record in Calgary, is potentially better, but that is something people are supposing rather than basing on fact.

[Canada 02]

Originally Posted by JayP

It was reported that St. Louis wanted the Flames to eat some J-Bouw's salary for next year and the Flames refused. That says a lot about how committed this team is to a rebuild. There's not a lot of instances where you can pay straight up cash for additional/better picks or prospects.

sports radio in St Louis suggested/speculated the Blues wanted the Flames to keep up to 50% of Bouw salary. If true, easily understandable why ownership wouldn't want to do that

You can buy a better player in free agency with $3.3M than giving it away to another team

[Hemi-Cuda]

Originally Posted by Imported_Aussie

True, but what is to say he does not have the right people here?
It is not like he transported his whole previous regime up here when he took over.

Well as has been mentioned, Todd Button is still the head scout. The first thing Feaster should have done after being named GM is look at his track record over the past decade and replaced him

[Hemi-Cuda]

Originally Posted by neo45

Well I was speaking more to what he has done in Calgary, with the scouting team he has in place here. Makes more sense than looking at what he did with a completely different team of scouts working under a completely different philosophy. Most years in Tampa he either didn't have a first round pick, or he was drafting 29th or 30th overall

I won't judge Feaster this year on who he picks with Calgary's 1st rounder. I'll judge him on who he picks with Pittsburgh's, and who he picks in the 2nd and 3rd rounds. Any GM should be able to find a quality player with a top 10 pick, it's how they do deeper in the draft that separate those who know what they're doing from the muppets

[ah123]

Originally Posted by Canada 02

sports radio in St Louis suggested/speculated the Blues wanted the Flames to keep up to 50% of Bouw salary. If true, easily understandable why ownership wouldn't want to do that

You can buy a better player in free agency with $3.3M than giving it away to another team

Another big plus: the Blues are closer to a "cap jail" situation now, especially with having to sign some RFAs.

[drPepper1]

26 of 422 players drafted in the last two seasons have played an NHL game. 21 of them were drafted in the first round.

It's going to take at least 5 years before we can judge Feasters drafting fairly. Theirs a lot of teams banking on potential. It comes down to being able to groom and developing your prospects the right way. If anything needs to be improved is our approach towards development.

[TheGrimm]

OK, I've been on the fence regarding Feaster up until now, but after his latest statement to the media declaring all of the "untouchables" on our roster I think the guy needs to learn to keep his mouth shut.

At first I was happy to have a communicating GM, but with the stuff this guy spouts off on a continual basis I actually miss having a GM who speaks less and acts more.

We should start a new thread with nothing but "Feaster-isms" and compile a list of failed promises.

He needs to learn to keep his cards closer to his chest... This is getting ridiculous.

[Flash Walken]

Originally Posted by TheGrimm

We should start a new thread with nothing but "Feaster-isms" and compile a list of failed promises.

I don't think we're allowed to bump threads anymore.

[Phanuthier]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

Are you trying to say that Feaster offered Sutter a new contract and he declined? Because that's not what happened. Brent put forth what he wanted if he was to remain head coach and Jay told him thanks but no thanks.

Funny but Brent knew more about what was wrong with the team than management or ownership.

I thought it was interesting that Dave Lowry wanted no part of this organization... despite the fact it looked like he was being groomed for the job.

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by Canada 02

sports radio in St Louis suggested/speculated the Blues wanted the Flames to keep up to 50% of Bouw salary. If true, easily understandable why ownership wouldn't want to do that

You can buy a better player in free agency with $3.3M than giving it away to another team

I think the issue is whether the pick or prospect the Flames could have got with that money is more desirable for a rebuild than money for UFAs. You don't rebuild with free agents, you rebuild with picks and prospects.

[Dagger]

Originally Posted by Canada 02

sports radio in St Louis suggested/speculated the Blues wanted the Flames to keep up to 50% of Bouw salary. If true, easily understandable why ownership wouldn't want to do that

You can buy a better player in free agency with $3.3M than giving it away to another team

That speaks to how committed to a rebuild we are. If you can buy a Ty Rattie, an Ian Cole or any players/prospects of that ilk, then you do it. We don't need the cap space any time soon(we have tons of it, and roster spots should be given to guys on ELCs) so why wouldn't we do that?

[Flames.Central]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

I think the issue is whether the pick or prospect the Flames could have got with that money is more desirable for a rebuild than money for UFAs. You don't rebuild with free agents, you rebuild with picks and prospects.

It was just speculated on FAN960 that had they taken on some of JayBo's can hit the prospects coming back could have been better higher impact. I agree, rebuild (if that's the direction this franchise is heading towards) is done primarily through draft and developing those drafted players. There has to be a good mix of youth and vets on a team to succeed.

[Dagger]

Originally Posted by drPepper1

26 of 422 players drafted in the last two seasons have played an NHL game. 21 of them were drafted in the first round.

It's going to take at least 5 years before we can judge Feasters drafting fairly. Theirs a lot of teams banking on potential. It comes down to being able to groom and developing your prospects the right way. If anything needs to be improved is our approach towards development.

And we have the GM with perhaps the worst development record in the league. A guy like Scott Howson would be nice for this rebuild IMO.

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by Dagger

And we have the GM with perhaps the worst development record in the league. A guy like Scott Howson would be nice for this rebuild IMO.

I'd love to lure Paul Fenton from Nashville. He's being groomed as the successor to Poile, but Poile just keeps going and going.