Fox News coming to Canada

[Cowperson]

There goes the neighbourhood!!

No more can Bingo and Cowperson tell Lanny that we don't even get Fox News in Canada when he tries to pin something on us.

Columnist Don Martin in the National Post reveals Fox News is already fully available on Parliament Hill but apparently too scary for other Canadians to view.

But it does appear the too-hot-to-handle news network is finally poised to find an unfiltered home on the Canadian television guide.

The most compelling hint this could be the year of the Fox came from my sharp-eyed editor, who noted channel spot 506 on his satellite service has been reserved for 'Fox N.' A Bell Canada spokeswoman admits it's a channel marker laid down in anticipation of CRTC approval.

A cable association president predicted FOX may be in Canada before the new year but not in time for the USA election.

The column notes that in Canada, CNN outdraws Newsworld by a three to one margin while in the USA, Fox is more popular than CNN.

Unfortunately, you may need to register to view this link:

http://www.canada.com/calgary/calgaryheral...fb-585727fcba2d

Cowperson

[Resolute 14]

Well, it is good that Canada now has balance when it comes to unbalanced reporting.

[Cowperson]

Originally posted by Snakeeye@Sep 30 2004, 04:07 AM
Well, it is good that Canada now has balance when it comes to unbalanced reporting.

Lining CBC up against FOX will "blow your mind Jerry!!"

Cowperson

[Deelow]

does that mean that parliament hill is stealing Directv?
Where is the ethics guy? Busy with something else?

[CaptainCrunch]

Hide the woman and children Ma, Fox is threatening to take over our vulnerable Canadian minds

[CaramonLS]

Good, I already get that worthless panel on sunday morning watching people defend Swift vote veterens for truth.

I look forward to seeing more of that crap.

[Displaced Flames fan]

Originally posted by CaramonLS@Sep 30 2004, 04:21 AM
Good, I already get that worthless panel on sunday morning watching people defend Swift vote veterens for truth.

I look forward to seeing more of that crap.

I've seen many people on Fox News denouncing the ads as well.

Don't let that get in the way of your opinion though.

[photon]

Originally posted by CaptainCrunch@Sep 29 2004, 10:19 PM
Hide the woman and children Ma, Fox is threatening to take over our vulnerable Canadian minds

"You know, Homer, FOX became a hard-core porn channel so gradually I never even noticed it."

Obligitory Simpsons quote.

[CaramonLS]

Originally posted by Displaced Flames fan+Sep 30 2004, 04:24 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Displaced Flames fan @ Sep 30 2004, 04:24 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-CaramonLS@Sep 30 2004, 04:21 AM
Good, I already get that worthless panel on sunday morning watching people defend Swift vote veterens for truth.

I look forward to seeing more of that crap.

I've seen many people on Fox News denouncing the ads as well.

Don't let that get in the way of your opinion though. [/b][/quote]
Aye, 2 members of the Panel were agreeing that the swift vote veterens were good for the election, 2 of them disagreed with that.

I just prefer not to see that horsesh*t aired, I understand you have a right to voice your opinions, but the ads, even supporting them is completely shameful.

And dis if I saw that crap on CNN, I would be more than happy to post about it, just to make you feel better.

[TheCommodoreAfro]

They pulled it off of all satellite networks in Japan, so I guess it's new head sprouted up back home.

I'm not sure how deep the appetite is for right of centre American news in Canada. There wasn't much demand for it in Japan, so I guess we'll see how this plays out.

[Lanny_MacDonald]

I think its a great move. Canadians will finally be able to see the "news" that America has been subject too and make their own call. Having said that, I think that it won't be taken too seriously as it is so right wing. It will be popular in Alberta, and that's about it. The rest of Canada will learn to loathe the channel and its over the top bias.

Oh, and speaking of bias, lets look at Fox's, and the Rupert Murdock media conglomerate's, bias and connections.

"In his early years of newspaper ownership Murdoch was an aggressive, micromanaging entrepreneur, notably taking on British printers' unions to reduce his staff costs, and exploiting the selling power of soft-core erotica in the form of page three girls (such as Samantha Fox) to increase circulation. Private Eye dubbed him The Dirty Digger, a name that has endured."

This is Murdock in a nutshell (pardon the pun). He makes money through selling entertainment under the guise of news.

"In 1995 Murdoch's Fox Network became the object of intense scrutiny from the Federal Communications Commission (FCC) after the case that Murdoch's foreign ownership of Fox Broadcasting contravened current legislation. The FCC, however, ruled in Murdoch's favour, stating that his ownership of Fox Broadcasting was in the public's best interests. In the same year Murdoch announced a deal with MCI to develop a major news website as well as funding a magazine, The Weekly Standard, about politics that has a pronounced right-wing view."

The Weekley Standardis a PNAC mouthpiece. Published by FoxNews contributor, William Kristol, this neo-con fish wrap is standard reading for "research" of stories. And they wonder why there is a credability gap at FoxNews?

"During the buildup to the 2003 invasion of Iraq, all 175 Murdoch-owned newspapers worldwide editorialized in favor of the war."

What a coincidence! Murdock loves to use his media empire to promote his twisted views of reality. He is a long time Reaganite and believes strong in what the PNAC stands for, giving them the media to channel their information/misinformation campaign to unsuspecting viewers.

"In late 2003, Murdoch acquired a 34% stake in Hughes Electronics, operator of the largest US satellite TV system, DirecTV, from General Motors for $6 billion. Among his trophy properties around the world are The Times (acquired in 1981 from the Thomson family, who had bought it from the Astor interests in 1966) and the New York Post (he turned the Post from New York's most liberal paper into its most conservative)."

Rupert Murdock and FoxNews are not "fair and balanced" like they try and promote. In fact, they take their marching orders from the Republican party and have daily performance memos that indicate the talking points they should touch on and cheapshots they are "enouraged" to take. This is not journalism but propaganda wrapped into a semi-transparent attempt at entertainment. No other network uses this methodology of "research standard" for obvious reasons. You can't get unbiased news when you're told what and how to report it.

One last thing on FoxNews' bias. People do have to realize the network is run by Roger Ailes, a long time Nixon and Reagan campaigner. He's a savvy as they come and make Karl Rove look like a puppy dog. He knows what he is doing when it comes to spinning the media and does so extremely effectively. The combination of Murdock, Ailes and Moody have created a team extremely capable of producing the Republican talking point of the day into viable news. The fact that these talking points become "news" across the Murdock media empire is just more proof of the concerted efforts made to give the GOP a voice and appeal to the political leanings of Murdock and his business partners.

[transplant99]

I'm not sure what it is your trying to get across with hat whole spiel Lanny.

If you are trying to point out that Foxnews is slanted to the right....thanks for the newsflash. Its been that way for years and years, and they never really hid the fact.

Murdoch has been a rpublican supporter for a long time...again nothing new there, and nothing wrong with it either.

The FCC did kibosh his attempted purchase of DirecTV a couple years ago, as they felt it gave far too much power to one corporation for news distributon. The same FCC that is government controlled....and according to you, in bed with the Bush Administration and the Republican party.

I think it's good Canadians finally get to see Fox...it does present a different perspective/spin than what the CBC (a left leaning group) does.

Whats wrong with that?

[nfotiu]

Originally posted by transplant99@Sep 30 2004, 03:22 PM

The FCC did kibosh his attempted purchase of DirecTV a couple years ago, as they felt it gave far too much power to one corporation for news distributon. The same FCC that is government controlled....and according to you, in bed with the Bush Administration and the Republican party.

Ummm... Murdoch owns Directv now.

http://hometheater.about.com/b/a/052401.htm

[Lanny_MacDonald]

Originally posted by nfotiu+Sep 30 2004, 03:34 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (nfotiu @ Sep 30 2004, 03:34 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-transplant99@Sep 30 2004, 03:22 PM

The FCC did kibosh his attempted purchase of DirecTV a couple years ago, as they felt it gave far too much power to one corporation for news distributon. The same FCC that is government controlled....and according to you, in bed with the Bush Administration and the Republican party.

Ummm... Murdoch owns Directv now.

http://hometheater.about.com/b/a/052401.htm [/b][/quote]
Honest mistake on Tranny's part. That one was up in the air for a while.

My point Tranny, is the Fox News likes to pass themselves off as being "fair and balanced". The opposite has been well documented (some say proven). The links to the government have been documented (some say proven). The reporting practices have been documented (definitely proven to be questionable). All of these things do not add up to being fair and balanced, especially when they promote the talking point of the day across the entire media empire.

Oh, and it is also illegal. I'm not sure if you're aware, but there is fair play legislation that requires the networks to have equal representation in their content. I'm shocked no one has taken them up on this yet, but I think something may be in the works down the road. Fox has a habit of bringing on well versed Republicans that are powerful speakers, yet they don't do the same for the Democrats. When they do bring them on, they are ambushed, like Hannity did to Jackson (looked really good on Jackson BTW). Fox just doesn't have the practices nor the ethics to be considered a serious media source. They are entrtainment passing off talking points as news. That is wrong.

[transplant99]

Originally posted by nfotiu+Sep 30 2004, 11:34 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (nfotiu @ Sep 30 2004, 11:34 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-transplant99@Sep 30 2004, 03:22 PM

The FCC did kibosh his attempted purchase of DirecTV a couple years ago, as they felt it gave far too much power to one corporation for news distributon. The same FCC that is government controlled....and according to you, in bed with the Bush Administration and the Republican party.

Ummm... Murdoch owns Directv now.

http://hometheater.about.com/b/a/052401.htm [/b][/quote]
I hadn't hard that, although i have long been out of that business.

Loking a little further however, it appears the FCC got its way with restrictions being placed on what NewsCorp can and cannot do with regards to programming choices.

Also, it appears Murdoch only purchased a fraction of what he attempted to the first time.

The complicated deal calls for News Corp., which runs the Fox broadcast network and 20th Century Fox movie studios among other properties, to buy a 34 percent controlling stake in DirecTV's parent, Hughes Electronics Corp.

At any rate, he is the biggest player in the game, no question, but he does have limitations on what can happen under his control.

Either way....Murdoch is a staunch Republican and Fox news reflects that....but its niether illegal nor unethical to be that.

[transplant99]

My point Tranny, is the Fox News likes to pass themselves off as being "fair and balanced". The opposite has been well documented (some say proven).

Agreed. It's a goofy slogan for them. They are clearly leaning one way moe than the other. Much like CNN leans o the left, but certainly not as far IMO.

Fox has a habit of bringing on well versed Republicans that are powerful speakers, yet they don't do the same for the Democrats.

I disagree. Yes at times it is a repulican love-in, but at others they have both sides represented equally.

I honestly dont watch the channel a whole lot, and especially at night when Hannity (whom i actually loathe) and O Reilly are on. O Reilly i used to hear quite a bit because his radio show was carried locally...it is no longer and niether is Hannitys. O Reilly just isnt a mouthpiece for conservatives like you make him out BTW....yes he usually leans that way but he also speaks his mind and as evidenced by his 60 minutes interview last week, actually is pretty harsh on Bush and company...which is refreshing.

Also, no one talks about the whole Al Franken and "Air America Radio" network. They are as far left on that thing as Limbaugh and Hannity are on the right. NIETHER side is balanced nor fair to the issues, and so far from the rality sometimes is preposterous.

[Lanny_MacDonald]

I agree with you on the Air America thing. They are laughable. One thing I do give Franken credit for though is that he comes prepared to battle. He doesn't get caught with his pants down very often and does fight fair. He's way too left wing for my liking, but hey, everyone has their place (even neo-cons). I just hate it when someone uses unetical tactics to ambush someone and then pass it off as journalism. That's what got CBS and 60 minutes in hot water during the late 80's IIRC. Hannity and O'Reilly are scumbags who get air time for a major network that seriously impacts our society. Its not like they have their shows like Springer anymore. These guys get a level of credability thrwon their way because "they are on the news". That's where it is wrong and that is why they should not be considered journalists an why Fox is nothing but propaganda.

On the balance issue, Fox doesn't play fair. Really, they don't. There are statistics to back this up that show Fox doesn't play fair when it comes to who they bring on their show. Its included in several complaints to the FCC. If they did not take the cheapshots they do, did not work from talking points and provided a little more air time to respectable Democrats then I would have no problem with them. But they are just as bad as CBC in Canada for playing to one party and shreding the other. Its weak.

[Table 5]

Originally posted by Lanny_MacDonald@Sep 30 2004, 10:05 AM
page three girls (such as Samantha Fox)

woot!