Feasters chance of staying on ....

[afc wimbledon]

Originally Posted by bluck

Isn't he a lawyer? Shouldn't he be used to doing his due diligence?

Personally I think the negligence, if you purport to be a hockey expert, is not starting the rebuild two years ago.

As I have posted before, either Feaster is a lick spittle arse kissing toady who's main competancy is to smile and agree with King and the owners, in which case the team is screwed, or he's an utterly incompetant hockey mind with not the slightest idea as to how to asses team dynamics talent and potential, in which case the team is screwed.

[$ven27]

IMO he should be gone in the offseason.

[FAN]

Originally Posted by bluck

I wasn't talking about the offer sheet. He was told he had a deal done, it's different then presenting a proposal and backing out on it.

Huh? Not sure what you were referring to by "presenting a proposal and backing out on it."

You were implying that Feaster will have difficulty making deals with Colorado and Boston. Outside of the offer sheet, I can't think of a reason why Feaster will have trouble making a deal with Sherman. As for Boston, Feaster said "we have a deal" but because Iginla had a NMC, Feaster had to go to Iginla with the deal. That was understood and acknowledged by Chiarelli. There was nothing in Chiarelli's presser that implied that Feaster led him to believe there was a deal and then decided to take Penguins offer because he changed his mind and decided the Pens offer was better. Chiarelli's presser only implied that he thought he had a done deal but the player ultimately wanted to go elsewhere.

[bluck]

Originally Posted by FAN

Huh? Not sure what you were referring to by "presenting a proposal and backing out on it."

You were implying that Feaster will have difficulty making deals with Colorado and Boston. Outside of the offer sheet, I can't think of a reason why Feaster will have trouble making a deal with Sherman. As for Boston, Feaster said "we have a deal" but because Iginla had a NMC, Feaster had to go to Iginla with the deal. That was understood and acknowledged by Chiarelli. There was nothing in Chiarelli's presser that implied that Feaster led him to believe there was a deal and then decided to take Penguins offer because he changed his mind and decided the Pens offer was better. Chiarelli's presser only implied that he thought he had a done deal but the player ultimately wanted to go elsewhere.

Well Feaster presented a proposal to Boston.. which was accepted and Boston thought they had a deal.. I just think that's bad management. I feel a new GM that hasn't screwed over his reputation will have a much easier time making deals with the past GM's then Feaster will going forward. In my opinion he just loses credibility going forward.

[Reaper]

Originally Posted by bluck

That's not my point at all. He was told he had a deal done and then got backed out on... That's my issue.

My original point still stands. You don't have a deal done until it comes back from the NHL registry with all signatures on it. F__k your hurt feelings. This is business. It ain't official until all parties have signed.

[bluck]

Originally Posted by Reaper

My original point still stands. You don't have a deal done until it comes back from the NHL registry with all signatures on it. F__k your hurt feelings. This is business. It ain't official until all parties have signed.

There are different ways to conduct business.. that was the wrong way to do it in my opinion. I'm not saying you have to agree with me you have every right to your opinion.

[kipperfan]

Didn't like the hire when he was brought in as AGM, hated the hire when he was promoted to GM and his moves the last 2+ years have not caused me to change my opinion of him whatsoever. Really hope they let him go in the offseason and then conduct a proper GM search (i.e. don't just give the job to the AGM again. If he turns out to be the best candidate after a thorough interview process then fair enough).

[Buck Murdock]

It would seem the flames are committing to Jay through this rebuild. I would prefer if they cut him loose now and give someone else the opportunity to spearhead this operation. I don't have confidence in his ability to get the job done, and there are others out there who would be better.

[Kananaskis04]

TSN Panel just rated Feaster's deals leading into the deadline:

Ferraro: D
Ward: C
McKenzie: D

Not a great report card, the only positive mentioned was turning Comeau from a waiver pick up into a fifth rounder.

[oilboy2]

Originally Posted by Kananaskis04

TSN Panel just rated Feaster's deals leading into the deadline:

Ferraro: D
Ward: C
McKenzie: D

Not a great report card, the only positive mentioned was turning Comeau from a waiver pick up into a fifth rounder.

Maybe I missed it somewhere but is flames ownership actually on record saying they will make playoffs next year? Seemed the panel didn't like that.

[Phanuthier]

Originally Posted by Kananaskis04

TSN Panel just rated Feaster's deals leading into the deadline:

Ferraro: D
Ward: C
McKenzie: D

Not a great report card, the only positive mentioned was turning Comeau from a waiver pick up into a fifth rounder.

Sounds pretty consistent. I find Bob McKenzie to be fair. Funny to see Aaron Ward as the most fair. Remember C+ is average, unless you went to some grade inflation school; crazy to think some people are giving him B's and A's, which would put him as one of the top 8 GM's in the league based upon this trade deadline (according to standard bell curve gradings)

[FAN]

Aaron Ward has been pretty nice to the Flames.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Kananaskis04

TSN Panel just rated Feaster's deals leading into the deadline:

Ferraro: D
Ward: C
McKenzie: D

Not a great report card, the only positive mentioned was turning Comeau from a waiver pick up into a fifth rounder.

take it for what its worth, its cool to kick the Flames while their down. Three months ago they were suggesting we buy out Jaybo

[Phanuthier]

Originally Posted by dino7c

take it for what its worth, its cool to kick the Flames while their down. Three months ago they were suggesting we buy out Jaybo

That typically happens to bad teams. Look at Columbas, NYI, Oilers, etc. We were one of the top payroll teams the past few years, one of the oldest rosters in the league the past few years, and missed the playoffs. And go out and spend $4M, $5M on 2nd line forwards and 2nd pairing defenseman., and $2M on No 7 and 8 defenseman... the NYR got crap for that for a while for good reason. Just like Jay Feaster is getting crap for it now.

[dino7c]

did the talking heads say was Feaster was supposed to do better...because the Iggy deal his hands were tied, they traded a guy who they recently thought should be bought out for a 1st and dumped the entire salary. and the other move they liked.

based on just the deadline I'm not sure those grades are fair at all

[VladtheImpaler]

Originally Posted by dino7c

did the talking heads say was Feaster was supposed to do better...because the Iggy deal his hands were tied, they traded a guy who they recently thought should be bought out for a 1st and dumped the entire salary. and the other move they liked.

based on just the deadline I'm not sure those grades are fair at all

I guess the question is - could Feaster have done better if he held onto his cards a bit longer and made the other team sweat? I don't know, but maybe St. Louis gives up a real prospect or another pick at noon today... Maybe not - hard to say. I'm certainly jealous of what Regier was able to do with every trade...

[Alberta_Beef]

I think Feaster is around for 1 more year. I don't think tearing down this team is a 2 week job. The Flames will still be looking to unload Tanguay, Cammalleri, Stempniak & Stajan while they are in teh final year of their contracts when the Flames are out of the playoffs race (which should be by Christmas). Once those guys are gone I see him being replaced. He is going to be the one to tear the team apart and I believe they will hire/promote Weisbrod to build it back up.

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by VladtheImpaler

I guess the question is - could Feaster have done better if he held onto his cards a bit longer and made the other team sweat? I don't know, but maybe St. Louis gives up a real prospect or another pick at noon today... Maybe not - hard to say. I'm certainly jealous of what Regier was able to do with every trade...

I was going to argue with this a bit, but it's disappointing how much of it I agree with.

[Phanuthier]

Originally Posted by VladtheImpaler

I guess the question is - could Feaster have done better if he held onto his cards a bit longer and made the other team sweat? I don't know, but maybe St. Louis gives up a real prospect or another pick at noon today... Maybe not - hard to say. I'm certainly jealous of what Regier was able to do with every trade...

definitely better doing his job while his "hands are tied"

this isn't just calgary/calgary-hate, look at the job in Tampa. People were saying his hands were tied there, and he got junk return for Brad Richards (our version is Iginla)

[Dion]

Originally Posted by VladtheImpaler

I guess the question is - could Feaster have done better if he held onto his cards a bit longer and made the other team sweat? I don't know, but maybe St. Louis gives up a real prospect or another pick at noon today... Maybe not - hard to say. I'm certainly jealous of what Regier was able to do with every trade...

I think it's gamble if you wait and hold out for more. Some teams might go in a different direction and you could be left with less bidders and a lower offer. Damned if he does and damned if he doesn't.