Fair warning, spoilers below, but it's a spoiler thread so I'm not covering them.
Jon being her son has been brought up multiple times in this thread. I watched the first couple episodes of A Game of Thrones before reading the books but very early on in the show Ned told Jon that they would talk about his mother and it seemed important enough that there was a certain mystery to it.
When reading the books with that in mind I didn't get to the end of A Game of Thrones before I bought into Jon being her son. I feel like GRRM would be doing a rewrite if that doesn't end up being the case, the stories of Ashara, Wylla and the fishermen's wife or whatever that we end up hearing later seem almost to draw the scent away from the big reveal 20 years later that wont (shouldn't) be all that surprising to the faithful followers.
The Kingsguard protecting Lyanna at the tower of joy should raise some questions. When Ned flat out starts asking them why they aren't with Viserys (the apparent King at this time) I feel like that should have raised a huge question mark when their one oath is to protect the King and they don't even care about Viserys.
Alfie Allen (Theon)
What did you ask him (Miller) about in return?
You know, I asked him about who Jon Snow's real parents were, and he told me. I can't say who, but I can tell you that it involves a bit of a Luke Skywalker situation. It will all come to fruition eventually.
Random thought...at some point in the series I fully expect Daenarys to ride a dragon, Brandon to "become" a dragon, and either Jon Snow and/or Aegon to ride a dragon. The series has always said the dragon has three heads and since there's three dragons I bet there are three riders. I say Jon Snow assuming he does turn out to be Rhaegar's son. We know he's not a true Targarean as he was badly burnt in the book but uhhh yeah, cool.
New promo for upcoming season, not a lot of meat to it.. but it is something.
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Benioff said it would be difficult to use that more intimate storytelling approach regularly because they have too many stories to follow in only 10 episodes. That said, the ninth episode of season 3 will focus on a smaller group of characters, while they expect in season 4(*) to do a battle even bigger than in "Blackwater."
It's too bad the TV viewers didn't get the Arstan Whitebeard experience. Would have been extremely hard to pull off, but he did look quite a bit different in this episode. Give him a longer beard and maybe he wouldn't be recognized by every viewer.
Also would have been nice to hear Mance Rayder talk about visiting Winterfell for Robert's feast.
But was very happy how quickly the episode seemed to set things up. Jon's with the Wildings, Daenerys about to get her army, Sansa's already set up to leave and Karstark looked like he was heading off to go kill some prisoners.
They really did need to get get everyone caught up to speed on all the story lines. I'm guessing there will be some story lines that only get screen time every couple of weeks; it will be tough to only give a few minutes to each story each week.
In the book it was a sorrowful man who attempted the murder. So I'm guessing Strong Belwas isn't going to be used (or at least not until later)? I haven't followed the casting.
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Belwas is the definition of a superfluous character. Get used to more of this for the TV show, as the books ballooned the show will do the opposite. Unless a character or story is essential to driving the story forward it will not make the cut.
Belwas is the definition of a superfluous character. Get used to more of this for the TV show, as the books ballooned the show will do the opposite. Unless a character or story is essential to driving the story forward it will not make the cut.
I'm not sure I would call him superfluous in the books - he is used, if only to allow Mormont to be banished and still allow Danni to have a hero around. But I can see how what he does hasn't been essential to the key plot points.
The show is bloated as it is. It is a fine line to decide what to cut.
I think it will be extra difficult the closer the show catches up to the books. If an apparently random character is kept over someone who appears to have more of an impact later on then that may provide unintended spoilers.
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I'm not sure I would call him superfluous in the books - he is used, if only to allow Mormont to be banished and still allow Danni to have a hero around.
Selmy.
Belwas killed the knight on the horse, but that was prior to Selmy revealing himself. Since they know from the get-go now, they can have Selmy act as champion. Other than that, at this point, Belwas has just ate some poison locusts in ADWD.
Yeah, I know. Since they cut the Selmy in disguise part, that makes Belwas unneeded. But my point was that the TV they can (and have) exorcised him, while in the books he had a purpose.
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"But the Senator, while insisting he was not intoxicated, could not explain his nudity"
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Has the Sam the Slayer thing happened yet? I was expecting it to occur this episode, but they went with the main group saving him...
I need to re-read Storm of Swords again, but if I remember right Sam gets separated from the group once more during the march back to the wall, with him and Small Paul together they encounter another Other, and that's when Paul dies and Sam uses the dragonglass. So I think it could still happen, and I bet it does, because otherwise why would they include the scene last season where he finds the dragonglass if he's not going to use it and find out how well it works?
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I need to re-read Storm of Swords again, but if I remember right Sam gets separated from the group once more during the march back to the wall, with him and Small Paul together they encounter another Other, and that's when Paul dies and Sam uses the dragonglass. So I think it could still happen, and I bet it does, because otherwise why would they include the scene last season where he finds the dragonglass if he's not going to use it and find out how well it works?
I was wondering the same thing, your explanation is definitely correct. Looking forward to that scene.
One thing is, Sam totally did all he could to get the crows released in the book. I think he didn't get the messages, but the birds got out. Here he totally failed
