04-03-2013, 10:24 AM
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#261
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The new goggles also do nothing.
Join Date: Oct 2001
Location: Calgary
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Originally Posted by Brannigans Law
If he's willing to honor his contact in Calgary for 10 more games he should honor it elsewhere. He's refusing to report no different than Nabakov.
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Where has this been confirmed? Or is it just speculation? One would think that after recent events reacting to speculation would be shown to be at best embarassing.
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Originally Posted by Brannigans Law
But if he plays next season he's no different than any other hold out this board has slammed. He's not bigger than the Flames. It's pretty crazy to put his family needs above the organization. A lot of players make family sacrifices and are well compensated for then.
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Lots of people put their families before their jobs, I think that's a better way to live one's life personally.
But again, why not wait to see if he actually does play next season (and the reasons) and react based on what really happens rather than just rumour and hearsay?
If he does play for next season for the Flames mentoring a young goalie that could also be a good thing.
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04-03-2013, 10:24 AM
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#262
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Lifetime Suspension
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Originally Posted by Johnny Rotten
Sorry, I've looked but I can't find it here, but if he does retire, he 5.8 millions counts/doesn't count against the cap?
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Nope.
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04-03-2013, 10:24 AM
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#263
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Lifetime Suspension
Join Date: Dec 2002
Location: Lethbridge
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Originally Posted by Johnny Rotten
Sorry, I've looked but I can't find it here, but if he does retire, he 5.8 millions counts/doesn't count against the cap?
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It doesn't count.
It was signed before he was 35.
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04-03-2013, 10:24 AM
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#264
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: Red Deer
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Originally Posted by Brannigans Law
From our perspective, not his. Relax and unbind your panties.
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Even with clarification, panties should firmly remain in bind.
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04-03-2013, 10:25 AM
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#265
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First Line Centre
Join Date: Sep 2012
Location: Calgary AB
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Originally Posted by Lanny'sDaMan
Family should trump all. If my wife or kids have a serious issue I drop everything else. I applaud Miikka for having his priorities straight. Unlike you apparently.
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I guess I had to spell it out more carefully. From our perspective as Flames fans I don't care about his family priorities. He, in my opinion, is well compensated for that and other players are making sacrifices too. If a NTC or NMC was a priority for him he should have negotiated one to take him to retirement. It would have saved us money and given him the piece of mind he wanted.
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Originally Posted by Yamer
Even with clarification, panties should firmly remain in bind.
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Why? Are you in Kippers family? No? Why do you care then?
Do you worry about Luongos kids and what school they go to? Or how often they see Daddy Roberto?
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Originally Posted by puckluck2
Well, deal with it. I wasn't cheering for Canada either way. Nothing worse than arrogant Canadian fans. They'd be lucky to finish 4th. Quote me on that. They have a bad team and that is why I won't be cheering for them.
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04-03-2013, 10:25 AM
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#266
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Feb 2009
Location: Abbotsford, BC
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Originally Posted by Johnny Rotten
Sorry, I've looked but I can't find it here, but if he does retire, he 5.8 millions counts/doesn't count against the cap?
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I don't think it does. It wasn't an 35+ contract.
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04-03-2013, 10:25 AM
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#267
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jun 2011
Location: STH since 2002
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Kipper can retire and hold his head up high knowing that he gave every ounce for this team.
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04-03-2013, 10:27 AM
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#268
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Oct 2001
Location: Vancouver
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Originally Posted by Lanny'sDaMan
Family should trump all. If my wife or kids have a serious issue I drop everything else. I applaud Miikka for having his priorities straight. Unlike you apparently.
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I ageree. I think some people don't realize that there are some issues that Kirpusoff is dealing with that make being away from his familly more difficult than it would be otherwise.
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04-03-2013, 10:27 AM
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#269
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Apr 2004
Location: Calgary
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I have no issue with Kipper's decision but I do have issue with terrible asset management by the organization. But that's a discussion for another thread.
Also, this place is creeping into HF territory. It's kind of scary to see.
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04-03-2013, 10:28 AM
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#270
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Scoring Winger
Join Date: Feb 2012
Location: BH dungeon
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JermainFranklin @TSNJFranklin 23s
Kiprusoff is not on the ice yet... perhaps his mind isn't completely made up just yet... Interesting #Flames #Oilers tonight
Does Kipper read CP
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04-03-2013, 10:31 AM
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#271
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Lifetime Suspension
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Originally Posted by Wronskian
JermainFranklin @TSNJFranklin 23s
Kiprusoff is not on the ice yet... perhaps his mind isn't completely made up just yet... Interesting #Flames #Oilers tonight
Does Kipper read CP
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Or he could still be pooping?
Man, these guys will tweet and draw up conclusions about the most random things.
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04-03-2013, 10:31 AM
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#272
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by Textcritic
If Kiprusoff is unwilling to move to another team now, why are we so sure that he was more willing a year ago? He may have been, but there is NO assurance of that, and he would still have completely controlled his fate.
I'm pretty disgusted by the entitlement of some fans that seem to think that every player must be converted into an "asset". Kiprusoff doesn't owe the Flames, Flames fans, or the city of Calgary a thing. Not . a . god . damned . thing. He is arguably the best goaltender to ever play in a Flames uniform, and I for one think that he deserves nothing more than our thanks and best-wishes as he transitions toward retirement.
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Hmm, let's do some math here - the draft was around 9 months ago. Kipper would've had no idea he was having a baby. That changes a thing or two, does it not? There is NO assurance that he wouldn't want a trade so why is it ridiculous to suggest?
I'm disgusted by the idiots that feel they have a personal connection to these players and get angry at rational thinking. If Kipper doesn't owe us a damn thing (as you claim), why the hell should I care about him? Think about that for a second - he doesn't owe the fans or team jack according to you, but we should allegedly not care about setting the team up for the future to make him happy.
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04-03-2013, 10:31 AM
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Powerplay Quarterback
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I don't mind too much given the situation. With Luongo, perhaps Miller, and apparently Ben Bishop (not sure why on that one), the goalie market is saturated by sellers. It sucks but it's true. If kipper were the only guy available, this might bug me more. Factor in this year's stats and I don't see a potential return being that great. No rebuild is perfect, but some are really bad. So long as other assets are on the table we can get more pieces for the future yet.
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04-03-2013, 10:31 AM
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#274
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by Wronskian
JermainFranklin @TSNJFranklin 23s
Kiprusoff is not on the ice yet... perhaps his mind isn't completely made up just yet... Interesting #Flames #Oilers tonight
Does Kipper read CP
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No, Jermain is just jumping the gun and then jumping to conclusions.
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Originally Posted by MisterJoji
Johnny eats garbage and isn’t 100% committed.
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04-03-2013, 10:32 AM
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#275
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Sep 2008
Location: Calgary
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Originally Posted by Brannigans Law
I guess I had to spell it out more carefully. From our perspective as Flames fans I don't care about his family priorities. He, in my opinion, is well compensated for that and other players are making sacrifices too. If a NTC or NMC was a priority for him he should have negotiated one to take him to retirement. It would have saved us money and given him the piece of mind he wanted.
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The thing is, he's forfeiting that compensation by retiring. So the Flames save next year's salary, and more importantly, next year's cap hit.
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04-03-2013, 10:35 AM
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#276
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jun 2011
Location: STH since 2002
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This deadline time can't come fast enough.
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04-03-2013, 10:36 AM
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#277
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Franchise Player
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Kipper was an excellent goalie for the Flames. Perhaps he has decided to retire today .
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04-03-2013, 10:36 AM
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#278
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NOT breaking news
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: Calgary
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Originally Posted by Brannigans Law
They opened no such door. If he's willing to honor his contact in Calgary for 10 more games he should honor it elsewhere. He's refusing to report no different than Nabakov. What makes it tolerable for me is that he genuinely appears to want to retire anyways at seasons end. Fine. But if he plays next season he's no different than any other hold out this board has slammed. He's not bigger than the Flames. From our perspective it's pretty crazy to put his family needs above the organization. A lot of players make family sacrifices and are well compensated for then.
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It's not crazy at all 
I see where you're coming from but I'm almost certain he won't play another minute next season.
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04-03-2013, 10:37 AM
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#279
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by nik-
No, Jermain is just jumping the gun and then jumping to conclusions.
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slow as crap trade deadline, media guys doing whatever they can to muster an audience.
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04-03-2013, 10:37 AM
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#280
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#1 Goaltender
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I hope he doesn't get traded. Seeing kipper is a leafs jersey would be the icing on the cake for this disasterous season.
Reading over tweets and stuff, it doesn't state anywhere that he's refusing to be traded. Dregers tweet says that he expects to still be a flame and that be will retire at season end. The flames can trade him anywhere, if he doesn't report it's between him and his new team.
The fact the kippers agents even talked with leafs management show that he would at least entertain a trade. But I think he told them honestly that his head and heart are no longer in the game and he would not be able to help in their playoff run.
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