Derek Roy is a decent pickup, but I really think that Connauton is a pretty big loss for the Canucks. Good pickup for the Stars
He's 23 years old and hasn't shown much improvement in 3 years at the AHL level. He's also waiver eligible next season which means if he can't crack your lineup out of training camp you risk losing him for nothing.
"I see he hasn't changed his ways. He's a notorious diver, and I see that hasn't changed that much." - Panthers coach Peter DeBoer, on Buffalo C Derek Roy.# DeBoer coached Roy in junior with the Kitchener Rangers of the OHL.
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"I see he hasn't changed his ways. He's a notorious diver, and I see that hasn't changed that much." - Panthers coach Peter DeBoer, on Buffalo C Derek Roy.# DeBoer coached Roy in junior with the Kitchener Rangers of the OHL.
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Although I don't think our past Flames teams during our "prime" last few years (2004-2009) were as good or as consistently as good as the Canucks during their current "prime" years, I feel they are on a similar trajectory as the Flames were when we started to miss the playoffs.
Top players seem to be declining a bit as they get older, prospect cupboards completely bare, massive deadweight contracts on D, and injuries piling up. All sounds too familiar to me.
Although I don't think our past Flames teams during our "prime" last few years (2004-2009) were as good or as consistently as good as the Canucks during their current "prime" years, I feel they are on a similar trajectory as the Flames were when we started to miss the playoffs.
Since the middle of last season I started to view the Canucks entirely differently, and as not much of a playoff threat. When they were bounced handily by LA in five games, I thought there were some very telling signs about their long-term future, and none of them good. In my opinion, the Canucks are likely not a good bet to win more than a playoff round this season, and I think could be a long-shot to even advance past this. The window looks nearly closed to me.
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Top players seem to be declining a bit as they get older, prospect cupboards completely bare, massive deadweight contracts on D, and injuries piling up. All sounds too familiar to me.
The Canucks really do seem to be entering a world of hurt, and I think you are being too generous here. At their peak, the Sedins were both bona-fide +100 point players. Their second-line centre was only 24-years-old, and was a top-twenty player in the NHL. Their goaltender was consistently top-five in most of the important regular season categories. Their powerplay was lethal.
The Canucks' long-term success has always been squarely dependent on the Sedins. Now, it seems clear that the Sedins are likely no longer even point/game players. They both approached that mark last season, but how confident are we that they ever will see these kinds of numbers again? In a lockout-shortened year, the NHL points-leaders tend to register higher point/game averages than they would spread over the course of 82 games, and the Sedins are not even in the top-thirty. I don't think they are nearly as good as they were even two years ago, and they really need to be for the Canucks to do much of anything in the post-season. With their career's looking to be at the point of gradually winding down, the Canucks future looks pretty bleak.
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Since the middle of last season I started to view the Canucks entirely differently, and as not much of a playoff threat. When they were bounced handily by LA in five games, I thought there were some very telling signs about their long-term future, and none of them good. In my opinion, the Canucks are likely not a good bet to win more than a playoff round this season, and I think could be a long-shot to even advance past this. The window looks nearly closed to me.
I agree. Just 2 years ago the Canucks looked pretty set for the future with Kesler on top of the world and with an up-and-coming Hodgson for the 2C spot. Now that Kesler has made his Selke season look like a fluke and Hodgson's gone, the Canucks have been trending down big time. If the Sedins' contracts can't be extended, there will be 2 massive holes on the top line that they can't easily plug, and with Kesler's injury tendencies you have to believe they will have the worst centre lineup in the league 2 years from now. Mike Gillis will have to turn water into wine in order to prevent this team from becoming a celler-dweller.
Back on topic: This was a good trade for VAN and Roy addresses their need for a 2C, but if they can't re-sign him (and it looks like they won't be able to), then the above scenario will still be looming over them.
Roy is a gamer. If he develops any kind of chemistry, the Canucks won the trade.
He's a decent center. Better than Jokinen for the money, imo.
Buffalo gets back a 2nd round pick and Kevin Connauton in exchange for Roy. He has to do little more than show up, and the Canucks already won this trade, but I don't believe that is really the issue here.
The problems with this deal are twofold: as noted by AR Six and others, it is highly debatable the extent to which this deal helps the Canucks to make the playoffs and to succeed. He's a smallish second line centre that has underwhelmed as of late, and given the makeup of the Canucks' top six, I think that his fit with the team is legitimately a concern. Second, given the extremely shallow prospect depth in the Canucks organisation, their current position in the standings, concerns about their durability entering the playoffs, cap-issues heading into next season, this seems like a last ditch effort for the current group to win, but under circumstances that appear to be slim. How wise was this deal at this time?
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