[Trade] Stars trade Derek Roy to the Canucks for 2nd pick and Kevin Connauton

[d_phaneuf]

People who think Garrison has been marginal aren't watching games

he has been fantastic defensively

[d_phaneuf]

they needed a center and got one, they are as strong as almost anyone down the middle when healthy now

ideally they would add another winger, maybe a RH defenseman, but it's not a glaring need

the top 5 is set on D

[Hells Bells]

Originally Posted by diane_phaneuf

People who think Garrison has been marginal aren't watching games

he has been fantastic defensively

Or perhaps they just watch the game a little more objectively.

We get it, Canucks fans want to defend/justify the horrible contract.

[Red John]

Saw this move coming a mile away, even grabbed Roy in a hockey pool last week in anticipation of flipping him to a canucks fan for a kings ransom /noonecares

It's not a lot to give up for a top-six center, problem is the canucks are the last team in the NHL that can afford to be trading any semi-decent prospects.

Their prospect pool is worse than Calgary's and could be the very worst in the NHL. Connauton was one of the few on the back end that actually projects to be a NHL player.

That said it's not the greatest year to stock up as it's unlikely they get by the Kings or Blackhawks in the playoffs, or Bruins/Penguins in the final. Too many dominant teams.

Understandable move however as the core is aging (probably only 3-4 years behind the Flames situation) and you need to give yourself a chance to win a Cup while you still can.

[Itse]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

Looks like Dallas will be chasing us to the bottom of the standings.

They're five points and two spots behind us, they'll never catch us, even with the game in hand.

[d_phaneuf]

Originally Posted by Hells Bells

Or perhaps they just watch the game a little more objectively.

We get it, Canucks fans want to defend/justify the horrible contract.

http://www.behindthenet.ca/nhl_stati...4+45+46+63+67#

he's right with Hamhuis in Corsi and quality of competition

but again, saying he's been horrible and have a horrible contract without any statistics or analysis to back it up, please keep that coming

[Red John]

Originally Posted by diane_phaneuf

http://www.behindthenet.ca/nhl_stati...4+45+46+63+67#

he's right with Hamhuis in Corsi and quality of competition

but again, saying he's been horrible and have a horrible contract without any statistics or analysis to back it up, please keep that coming

They didn't bring him in to be a one-dimensional defensive shutdown guy.

In that sense he's been a failure so far, especially when you are paying him almost $5 million a season and already have Edler, Hamhuis and Bieksa making big money.

[d_phaneuf]

over a full season he's on pace for 30 points and 11-12 goals

it's a completely different situation than in Florida, he was never going to score as much, they have Edler as the D man on the PP and Sedin handles the puck

I don't know what you think they brought him in for...

[AR_Six]

Originally Posted by Red John

They didn't bring him in to be a one-dimensional defensive shutdown guy.

Actually they basically did, if you amend to "defensive guy with big shot". This is revisionist history. He was brought in to a) be a strong defensive complement to Edler's offensive roaming style, and b) replace Salo's ~8 goals per season that he was at at that point. At the time of the signing, every Van analyst / blog was going "well, the 16 goals last year were clearly an anomaly, but he's been one of the better defensive guys in the east for a couple of seasons". Either way, he's on pace for better than 10 goals per season, and has been good in his own end in spite of the Canucks generally icing a borderline AHL quality middle six lately.

[Red John]

Originally Posted by diane_phaneuf

over a full season he's on pace for 30 points and 11-12 goals

it's a completely different situation than in Florida, he was never going to score as much, they have Edler as the D man on the PP and Sedin handles the puck

I don't know what you think they brought him in for...

Everyone knew he wasn't going to score as much. Then why pay him the big bucks?

They brought him in to be a Sami Salo replacement - to have the huge shot from the point and score 15+ goals (they hoped). Most thought it was a bad signing at the time and nothing's changed, though Garrison has saved it from being a huge disaster by at least being competent defensively.

If he was brought in to complement Edler then why has he played with Hamhuis most of the season? Hey maybe that's why his defensive stats are so good...

Your point is ridiculous, that's like saying Bouwmeester was a huge success in Calgary the first three years because even though he wasn't putting up points he could still log 30 minutes a night and be decent defensively.

Garrison hasn't been as advertised and even most canucks fans would admit that.

[d_phaneuf]

You are completely missing what they brought him in for.....

do you think the Hamhuis signing is horrible then? because he's basically putting up the same offensive numbers?

[Red John]

Originally Posted by diane_phaneuf

You are completely missing what they brought him in for.....

do you think the Hamhuis signing is horrible then? because he's basically putting up the same offensive numbers?

Hamhuis wasn't brought in to be an offensive guy...he can move the puck but him and Bieksa were the teams shut down pairing in their two dominant seasons. He's made Bieksa look way better than he is defensively and is doing the same to Garrison.

If you are happy with Garrison that's fine. Not sure your teams management would necessarily agree but that's speculation. They added Garrison and lost nothing off last year's roster and have gone from a Presidents trophy team to likely not winning their division and starting the playoffs on the road.

Not saying that's Garrisons fault, just saying if you are happy with him and your teams progress that's good. Just not sure you'd have much company.

[opendoor]

Garrison has been the Canucks' best defenseman this year, bar none.

[d_phaneuf]

yes they lost nothing off the roster

besides the entire 2nd line being injured for 90% of the year, absolutely nothing off the roster

[AR_Six]

Originally Posted by Red John

They added Garrison and lost nothing off last year's roster and have gone from a Presidents trophy team to likely not winning their division and starting the playoffs on the road.

K what? They haven't had a 2nd line all year. They're missing a guy they used to use for 75% of their defensive zone draws. Without Kesler, and lacking anything resembling a second scoring centre, the power play has been aenemic and has only started looking slightly effective again since Garrison was put on the first unit. How have they not lost anything from last year's team? This is just a ridiculous statement.

[Vinny01]

Hope they trade their first for Clowe. I don't see this team good enough to get past the 2nd round of the playoffs and they have no future with an aging team. They are going to be forced to rebuild sooner than later

[Hells Bells]

Originally Posted by opendoor

Garrison has been the Canucks' best defenseman this year, bar none.

Ouch.

For the Canucks sake, you better hope some other guys step up come playoffs.

[Barca]

Originally Posted by Red John

They didn't bring him in to be a one-dimensional defensive shutdown guy.

In that sense he's been a failure so far, especially when you are paying him almost $5 million a season and already have Edler, Hamhuis and Bieksa making big money.

Uhh... yeah they did.

People keep looking at his 16 goal season as to why the Canucks signed, which is not true.

When MG was interviewed after the signing that was the first question that was asked. He said his defensive game is the reason why the Canucks targeted him. He was one of the few Panthers last season that wasnt a - the 16 goals was just a bonus.

Jason Garrison is a shutdown Dman first with a huge point shot. Thats why the Canucks signed him.

4.6m is a bargain and a discount considering that he was getting offers 5m+ from teams.

He hasnt been a problem on defence this year, I dont know where you get that he's been a failure.

Garrison has 1 more goal than the offensive defenceman you guys signed at 5.2m and +12 vs Wideman's -5.

[RagingWookies]

Seeing as a bunch of ya'll have CLEARLY not watched our players this year, you sure do seem to have some strong opinions of them.

Garrison has been excellent this year. He had a slow start, but since then has been exactly the defensemen we wanted him to be. The goals will come as he learns the system, gains confidence.

[Barca]

Originally Posted by Hells Bells

Ouch.

For the Canucks sake, you better hope some other guys step up come playoffs.

Whats the ouch for? a +12 shutdown defenceman is bad?