[Trade] Stars trade Derek Roy to the Canucks for 2nd pick and Kevin Connauton

[drPepper1]

Buffalo moved Roy to Dallas so Hodgson could be their top center.
Vancouver moved Hodgson because he wanted to be a top center.
Vancouver gets Roy to fill the Canucks 3rd line center role since Hodgson was traded.

[FAN]

Originally Posted by Iowa_Flames_Fan

If anything, this should settle down the naysayers who claim that Feaster should have got more for Iginla and Bouwmeester. It now appears both trades were right about at market value for this trade deadline.

Not exactly. Top 4 Defensemen are worth more than 2nd line centers and Iginla > Roy (it's not even close). Besides, Roy is probably looked as a pure rental given the money that is speculated that Roy wants to re-sign. Furthermore, Niewy will likely be out of a GM job before Feaster.

[BACKCHECK!!!]

I might be interested in Roy on Flames at something like $5mil for 2 or 3 years.

Seriously, the Flames will have oceans of cap space, and nothing to spend it on. May as well overpay for a guy who play 1st line minutes and shelter a younger centre.

[GGG]

Originally Posted by Locke

In a new CBA with a lower salary cap who will be 30 years old and has put up very average numbers the last few seaons.

I get that it depends on the market and whats available, but to me that seems pretty steep.

Who gets a $2M/year raise for putting up average numbers and getting older?

Derek Roy and Ryan Clowe on 1 year deals for the flames. 6 million each, 1 yr deals and sell them at the deadline. We are going to have 20 million in cap space and have to spend it somewhere.

[FAN]

Originally Posted by Barca

Great trade for Gillis, Connauton was never going to play for the Canucks with Hamhuis, Bieksa, Edler, Garrison and Tanev preety much locked. He is behind Corrado, Sauve and even Andersson on the D prospect depth for the Canucks.

Now a Raymond trade tommorow could be in the works... If Gillis can get Clowe from SJ that would be a huge upgrade on Raymond for playoffs.

Last I checked, Yann Sauve was playing in the ECHL while Connauton was playing in the AHL. I would be hesitant to call trading a guy with 9 goals for a guy with 0 goals as an upgrade.

[FlamesAddiction]

Good deal. I wouldn't expect more for Roy, but Vancouver didn't have to overpay either.

[Iowa_Flames_Fan]

Originally Posted by FAN

Not exactly. Top 4 Defensemen are worth more than 2nd line centers and Iginla > Roy (it's not even close). Besides, Roy is probably looked as a pure rental given the money that is speculated that Roy wants to re-sign. Furthermore, Niewy will likely be out of a GM job before Feaster.

Well if you insist on looking at it that way, then centers are worth more than wingers, and both Roy and Iginla have 22 points this year.

I'm not claiming Roy is as good as Iginla. His return was also less good--a 2nd rounder and a marginal prospect. Calgary got two marginal prospects and a first rounder for Iggy. Morrow got a decent prospect, but Dallas had to offer a draft-pick downgrade to make that happen.

This is the market.

Mind you, if Jagr nets a first round pick, then my whole argument will fail--but I will be shocked if that happens.

My feeling is that draft picks are at a premium this year, and the first-round picks are the key pieces of value in both the Iginla and Bouwmeester trades. The rest are just rolls of the dice: hopefully one or two of them pan out, in which case Calgary is laughing.

[Stay Golden]

I would have thought Roy would have garnered a 1st round pick all the Hockey analysts have been predicting he would too.

Connauton is a decent prospect going to DAL.
Welcome to VAN Roy may you never succeed there.

[Robbob]

Originally Posted by Stay Golden

I would have thought Roy would have garnered a 1st round pick all the Hockey analysts have been predicting he would too.

Connauton is a decent prospect going to DAL.
Welcome to VAN Roy may you never succeed there.

i think that goes to show you how valuable 1st rounder picks are.

[FAN]

Originally Posted by Iowa_Flames_Fan

Well if you insist on looking at it that way, then centers are worth more than wingers, and both Roy and Iginla have 22 points this year.

I'm not claiming Roy is as good as Iginla. His return was also less good--a 2nd rounder and a marginal prospect. Calgary got two marginal prospects and a first rounder for Iggy. Morrow got a decent prospect, but Dallas had to offer a draft-pick downgrade to make that happen.

This is the market.

All I'm saying is that it doesn't disprove or settle the claim that Feaster should have gotten more for Iginla and Bouwmeester (I'm fine with Bouwmeester's return because Feaster seems to have prioritized getting back a first round pick). And mind you, Feaster wanted to take the deal where the 1st round pick was CONDITIONAL and not conditional in the way the Blues pick was either.

[AR_Six]

Fair price for Vancouver - Connauton has a great point shot and is a PP asset but has never shown the acuity for playing in his own end necessary to earn an NHL spot. He still has NHL upside, for sure, so he's not a lottery ticket for the Stars, but it's not a piece the Canucks couldn't afford to part with.

As far as Roy goes, he was near the bottom of my list of 5 possible players who could help Vancouver at centre (the top being Vermette and Ott), largely because I thought the cost would be higher to get him (it reportedly will take more to acquire Jagr). Roy is essentially an improved version of Jordan Schroeder - if the Canucks didn't trust Schroeder as a rookie to play significant minutes in the playoffs, and I can see that, this is an easy upgrade.

From here, Roy fills in for Kesler on line 2 until Kesler returns. Then he drops down to line 3 between Hansen and Raymond, and line 3 acts as a "line 2B", another scoring line. line 4 is your checking line. Not sure how that pans out in the playoffs (probably not well against, say, Los Angeles but perhaps better against, say, Minnesota, Detroit or SJS). But as Kesler's line is often used in a shut-down role anyway, it just makes sense to me.

Either way, if the Canucks don't get healthy again pretty soon, they're out in round 1 regardless, and they just wasted a pick and a prospect. And either way, if they could get Roy for this price, they could probably have gotten Vermette, who for me would've been a better fit for the team's needs.

[FAN]

Originally Posted by Stay Golden

I would have thought Roy would have garnered a 1st round pick all the Hockey analysts have been predicting he would too.

Most hockey analysts predicted Iginla and Bouwmeester would have garnered a lot more than what Feaster got.

[GreenLantern]

Originally Posted by the_professsor

I thought this was a sellers market, pretty average deal for the Stars...

Temper expectations for any potential Cammi / Tanguay trades, they can't be worth much more than Roy

They can to the right team as they are still under contract after this year... Tanguay's being a very friendly cap hit given his point production.

[Stay Golden]

Originally Posted by FAN

Most hockey analysts predicted Iginla and Bouwmeester would have garnered a lot more than what Feaster got.

if it was not Fester and Weisbrod as the Flames GM tandem we would have probably received better prospects. These 2 have their own ideas

[FAN]

Originally Posted by Stay Golden

if it was not Fester and Weisbrod as the Flames GM tandem we would have probably received better prospects. These 2 have their own ideas

They sure are confident in their ability to sign soon to be UFAs.

[Ned Braden]

Originally Posted by Iowa_Flames_Fan

You can argue that the Flames should have been sellers earlier--in fact, I happen to agree. But now that they are, I find the meltdown over what our players are fetching a little hard to understand. This team is in 14th place for a reason: they aren't that good. They have some good pieces, and those will return (and are returning) some value. But the fact is, no team is giving you a first round pick AND a top prospect for anything currently on our roster.

Right. The arguments against the Iginla and Bouwmeester deals by (correct) long-term critics of the Flames are contradictory. For years, the argument has been that by waiting to rebuild, the value of the Flames' trade pieces would decline. And this was right! But now Feaster is an idiot for not getting premium prospects as well as 1st round picks for two months of a no-longer-elite 35-year-old with a NTC and a good-not-great defenseman with a $6.7 million cap hit next year? Please. I see no evidence that these trades weren't market value. To argue that Iginla et al. should have been dealt earlier is a separate question.

[HelloHockeyFans]

Good acquisition for the Canucks but I think they need a top 4 dman more... someone like Dan Boyle would help them a lot more than Derek Roy.

[Stealth22]

Originally Posted by MrMastodonFarm

Even when you beat sureLoss, he beats you.

Our Bouwmeester threads were merged, and in the merged thread, his post appeared before mine, although the timestamps were the same. His Twitter quote said "10 seconds", where as mine said "now". As soon as the tweet appeared, I was opening CP to post it.

I had a 10 second lead on the #######, and I blew it.

[AR_Six]

Originally Posted by HelloHockeyFans

Good acquisition for the Canucks but I think they need a top 4 dman more... someone like Dan Boyle would help them a lot more than Derek Roy.

How would they afford his near 7 million dollar cap hit? The top 4 in Van is already set with Hamhuis, Bieksa, Edler and Garrison with the occasional cameo by Tanev. Boyle makes zero sense on that team.

The fact that you think they needed a defenseman more than a centre shows you haven't been paying attention - Vancouver has been awful at centre. They've got Jordan Schroeder and Andrew Ebbet at 2C and 3C lately. Ebbett is an AHL player who shouldn't even be centering the 4th line and Schroeder still needs a year or two before being a reliable option for 17 minutes a night. This was clearly the POSITION that needed filling, the real question is if it was the right PLAYER, rather than other C's who appear to be available. Again, IMO, Vermette was the right answer, not Roy.

[HelloHockeyFans]

I guess I'm not as enamoured with Vancouver's top 4 as you, but we'll agree to disagree. Garrison has been marginal and Edler has looked off this year. If the Canucks want to push the true contenders this year in the west, they need a better option in their top 4.