Now that the Rebuild is here...

[Tinordi]

Originally Posted by kyuss275

Pretty sure Feaster said that he was not happy that they have to rebuild. So my guess is they are rebuilding, which makes the $20 million of space irrelevant for fans.

He's not happy because he looks like an idiot after those moronic statements he made about Edmonton and rebuilding after being hired. Guess what Jay, you drove the bus off the cliff.

[GirlySports]

Originally Posted by kyuss275

Pretty sure Feaster said that he was not happy that they have to rebuild. So my guess is they are rebuilding, which makes the $20 million of space irrelevant for fans.

Do the fans accept that the Flames are a rebuilding, salary floor team?
Will it show at the gates and tv ratings?

[kyuss275]

Originally Posted by caged great

it is about time. The most important thing with the two trades is that we have 14 million in the bank for cap space from this year. If we trade kipper and cammalleri, we'll be over 25 mil available with another possible 4.5 removed if we trade sarich and let babchuk walk.

With 30 million dollars in space, we could offer clarkson 5.00 filppula 5.00, streit 5, bozak 4.5, stalberg 3 and still have flexibility to add, and in terms of production, you would get a roughly equivalent team to this year's

all while getting a bunch of picks and prospects.

nooooooooooooooo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[neo45]

I think they should go for playoffs next year.

Plenty of teams have sucked for a year and then been in the playoff mix the next year. The Flyers drafted JVR, the Devils drafted Larsson, look at the Sens now etc.

An injection of youth and a few guys stepping up and filling roles can work wonders for a team. Go for playoffs next season, and if things aren't going well then sell off some assets at the trade deadline and re-asses. There is no harm done if you don't trade away any picks/prospects, and as long as the young guys get a chance to play

[MrMastodonFarm]

Originally Posted by GirlySports

Do the fans accept that the Flames are a rebuilding, salary floor team?
Will it show at the gates and tv ratings?

I think so, yup. Fans aren't dumb, if they recognize the team is atleast attemping to turn the corner they'll show up.

A young stud big name prospect, selected in the top three will sell tickets.

[kyuss275]

Originally Posted by GirlySports

Do the fans accept that the Flames are a rebuilding, salary floor team?
Will it show at the gates and tv ratings?

Time will tell, but i hope fans are patient. They seem to be fine with it in Edmonton.

[Jbo]

I think the admission of the Rebuild (despite Feaster doing his best lawyer impression around it) has been an important step.

It does feel surreal now that it is finally here. I just looked around my Flames room that has pictures of Jay Bouw, Iggy, Conroy, Dion, and Kipper. Only one guys remains right now.

Interesting times.

[PeteLFan]

Originally Posted by Caged Great

It is about time. The most important thing with the two trades is that we have 14 million in the bank for cap space from this year. If we trade Kipper and Cammalleri, we'll be over 25 mil available with another possible 4.5 removed if we trade Sarich and let Babchuk walk.

With 30 million dollars in space, we could offer Clarkson 5.00 Filppula 5.00, Streit 5, Bozak 4.5, Stalberg 3 and still have flexibility to add, and in terms of production, you would get a roughly equivalent team to this year's

All while getting a bunch of picks and prospects.

Yikes if that's the plan well then we will probably continue to suck for a very long time.

If anything this free agent splurging and trading to put together a roster doesn't work.

[browna]

Not until mid July can this be answered.

By that time the Flames will have sent more guys guys packing, in the next two days and let UFA's go, drafted 2-3+ guys in the first round, and the draft in general, picked up any top UFA/compliance buyout players, and the upper management and coaching structure is likely/hopefully sorted out.

So far as the start of the process, the fact that Feaster it still bitter enough to take parting shots at Iginla, and the lack of getting even one piece from these two trades that have even a remote chance of stepping in next year, its not an ideal start IMO.

[kyuss275]

Originally Posted by neo45

I think they should go for playoffs next year.

Plenty of teams have sucked for a year and then been in the playoff mix the next year. The Flyers drafted JVR, the Devils drafted Larsson, look at the Sens now etc.

An injection of youth and a few guys stepping up and filling roles can work wonders for a team. Go for playoffs next season, and if things aren't going well then sell off some assets at the trade deadline and re-asses. There is no harm done if you don't trade away any picks/prospects, and as long as the young guys get a chance to play

The UFA players they would pick up would be for 5 year terms at big money. They can't just trade them away after signing them.

Also there is a very good chance that not one of the 1st round picks plays next year in the NHL. Actaully good chance they don't play for 2 years.

[Tinordi]

Originally Posted by J-bo09

I think the admission of the Rebuild (despite Feaster doing his best lawyer impression around it) has been an important step.

It does feel surreal now that it is finally here. I just looked around my Flames room that has pictures of Jay Bouw, Iggy, Conroy, Dion, and Kipper. Only one guys remains right now.

Interesting times.

I'm actually worried about this.

Ken King gnashing his teeth and only extremely reluctantly uttering the word 'rebuild' has not sold me on the fact that this franchise will do the proper rebuild course. I have a feeling they're going to try to cut corners and not fully buy into the 3-5 year rebuild window to return to contender status. Instead we'll get a one year 're-tool' to continue to fight it out for 8th.

[Dion]

Originally Posted by Tinordi

He's not happy because he looks like an idiot after those moronic statements he made about Edmonton and rebuilding after being hired. Guess what Jay, you drove the bus off the cliff.

Ownership drove the bus. They weren't interested in a rebuild when Feaster was hired. Now the ownership group has to face the reality of thier choice.

[CliffFletcher]

I'm more relieved that anything. The franchise has finally snapped out of a prolonged period of mass delusion and nostalgia. Management, the fans, and hopefully the players can now look to the future with a clean slate.

I'm cautiously optimistic that the Flames organization can spot talent. The upcoming draft will be huge. My only nagging concern is the impression that this management team thinks they're smarter than everyone else, and will try something overly clever at the draft.

[Jbo]

Originally Posted by Tinordi

I'm actually worried about this.

Ken King gnashing his teeth and only extremely reluctantly uttering the word 'rebuild' has not sold me on the fact that this franchise will do the proper rebuild course. I have a feeling they're going to try to cut corners and not fully buy into the 3-5 year rebuild window to return to contender status. Instead we'll get a one year 're-tool' to continue to fight it out for 8th.

I agree.

We have president and a GM that have adamantly denied ever being around for a rebuild...are now doing just that. I hope they handle this properly and not cut corners.

[Miniac]

All these picks are great but they will mean nothing if the Flames select the wrong players.

[Spinoff90]

Originally Posted by J-bo09

What is a realistic timeline for a Rebuild? I keep hearing 2-3 years at a minimum, all the way out to 4-5 years.

Does that seem realistic in the salary cap era? I understand that a rebuild not done properly can be an ugly cycle, but I really cant wrap my head around and understand just what we are facing, before we have a competitive team again.

Every journey begins with a single step I suppose.

Well it took seven years last time and we were eventually pulled out of that by fluking out with Kipper and not anything we did during the rebuild. And that time we brought in Iginla when we traded an aging player at least and not these mediocre prospects that Feaster is going after. I swear that guy jumps at the first trade he is offered.

So whenever we fluke out on a trade and temporarily save us from the Young Guns 2.0 era if that will even be enough this time before we go into the Young Guns 3.0 era. That is if the owners don't move us before we fluke out because unlike Edmonton as much as I hate to praise them the Dome will empty out through this Young Guns 2.0 era just like it did last time. So the only thing that might eventually be rebuilt are the bandwagons if we ever do get saved from the Young Guns 2.0 era.

Our draft history and who we have calling the shots doesn't have me optimistic enough to picture any other scenario.

[Miniac]

Originally Posted by MrMastodonFarm

I think so, yup. Fans aren't dumb, if they recognize the team is atleast attemping to turn the corner they'll show up.

A young stud big name prospect, selected in the top three will sell tickets.

I will for sure be trying to get season tickets next year. Just so I can watch our prospect grow and develop.

[Caged Great]

Originally Posted by Tinordi

One would think we'd learn from trying to cobble a roster together from free agents...

Actually, I'd be doing that only to trade guys that we have on the team now for picks/prospects (Glencross/Stempniak/Tanguay/Giordano) this time next year and keep cycling in new people until the kids can stick.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Tinordi

I'm actually worried about this.

Ken King gnashing his teeth and only extremely reluctantly uttering the word 'rebuild' has not sold me on the fact that this franchise will do the proper rebuild course. I have a feeling they're going to try to cut corners and not fully buy into the 3-5 year rebuild window to return to contender status. Instead we'll get a one year 're-tool' to continue to fight it out for 8th.

I am concerned about this as well.

I see Feaster throwing big bucks at average UFAs and declaring a playoff push.

Fortunately, I think the goaltending and defense will keep the team firmly in teh basement

[Boo Radley]

Glad the rebuild is finally here. Hope the Flames make 2-3 more trades for picks.
Would be nice to have another first rounder (or two). If this draft is as deep as 2004 the Flames will be setup.
Do not have much to say about the players they picked up in the last two trades. Time will tell.

I am ready for a 3-4 year re-build but if they start this summer to strengthen their foundation this could be shorter.