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Old 04-01-2013, 08:03 PM   #601
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I always find these posts funny - if people liked the prospects, no one would question how closely they are followed. But criticize them and you must be an underwearing, basement dweller
I think people should post what they know about players and what they don't know.
To suggest you think a player that you have seen may have an NHL future makes more sense to suggest you think a player that have NOT seen certainly has no NHL future.

If people have seen either player and don't like either - I have no issue with it whatsoever.

If people have never heard of either player and have already decided their fate - that is dumb.
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Although I think Feaster could have gotten more in his trades. Him and Weisbroad have had really good picks in the draft. For this reason I'm estatic at having 3 first rounders this year.
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Old 04-01-2013, 08:04 PM   #603
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I can search on them and be unimpressed, but i have to believe Weisbrod and his guys know more than I do. Feaster? like any good CEO, he knows his limitations and hires smarter people around him. He takes the heat, but there is little chance this was his personal scouting decision.
Hopefully that's the case with Feaster, but hopefully you're not giving our staff too much credit either. The imbalance in the quality and quantity of NHL players coming out of the 30 NHL organizations (and the consistency of the good ones to churn out more goodness) is a testament that not all scouts are indeed equal. When you're googling these things you're not googling what I say about it. You're googling people that at least spend some time assessing these things as well, whether or not they have an NHL job. Weisbrod hasn't been here that long so we don't know yet until we see results, but I think given this organization's reputation (and the fact that we must have SOME staff that isn't new in the scouting department) makes me understandably skeptical of the uncertain assets coming in.
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Old 04-01-2013, 08:04 PM   #604
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I always find these posts funny - if people liked the prospects, no one would question how closely they are followed. But criticize them and you must be an underwearing, basement dweller
Fair, but the quality analysis on prospects on this message board or any other is weak at best. Very few posters (including me) have any really good insights on prospects. IMO, very few posters with a foggiest clue on what prospects legitimate upsides acutally are.
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There is plenty of info online for people to follow without watching them every night.
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Old 04-01-2013, 08:04 PM   #606
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Alright, now lets get rid of Cammy.
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Old 04-01-2013, 08:04 PM   #607
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I always find these posts funny - if people liked the prospects, no one would question how closely they are followed. But criticize them and you must be an underwearing, basement dweller
I think the point is that nobody knows about the prospects either way...every draft I hear shoulda got this guy or that guy.

nobody knows
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Old 04-01-2013, 08:05 PM   #608
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Bob McKenzie was saying that the trade could've got Ty Rattie back in return. I like the Rattie-Sven connection, but at the same time, Feaster got the Blues to eat all of the $6.7 mill next year so perhaps its not that bad of a deal going forward.

Like most CP'ers, the return looks underwhelming, but I'm not calling for Feaster's head either. More Trades!
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Old 04-01-2013, 08:05 PM   #609
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i think flames fans have a right to question this trade.

just look at the trades for dmen around draft day made in the past few years:
beauchamin
kaberle

then regehr/murray this year.

you know these flames trades are questionable when you have to hunt for any type of rationale deep in the bushes. After the trade of regehr to buffalo and deciding to 'wait it out and see how it turns out', i am no longer willing to give feaster and co. the benefit of the doubt. They F'd that one up, and until proven otherwise, have F'd this year's trade thus far up also. Hope time proves me wrong.
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Have you been checking the Calgary Flames 1st round pick (especially late rounds) in the past few years? I am not giving up on Backlund, Sven and I cannot comment on Jankowski yet. But before Backlund's 1st pick, all our first rounder was a bust.
This team's drafting has been really good the past few years, IMO. I'm no longer worried about that.
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Old 04-01-2013, 08:05 PM   #611
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Ian Cole was in a lot of people's trade proposals with St. Louis. While Ian Cole is 6'1" 220lbs and a former first rounder, Cundari is 5'10", 200lbs, has a better PPG average in the AHL, has more penalty minutes, will fight, and plays a more physical game than Cole from what I've read. Not to mention Cundari is younger and has won a championship. If Ian Cole had been part of the return there would be less shock but I don't know if the return would actually be better.
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There is plenty of info online for people to follow without watching them every night.
The on-line info I have on J-Bouw indicates that we burried St.Louis in this deal.
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i think flames fans have a right to question this trade.

just look at the trades for dmen around draft day made in the past few years:
beauchamin
kaberle

then regehr/murray this year.

you know these flames trades are questionable when you have to hunt for any type of rationale deep in the bushes. After the trade of regehr to buffalo and deciding to 'wait it out and see how it turns out', i am no longer willing to give feaster and co. the benefit of the doubt. They F'd that one up, and until proven otherwise, have F'd this year's trade thus far up also. Hope time proves me wrong.
We're trading guys with NTCs, people keep forgetting this.
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There is plenty of info online for people to follow without watching them every night.
why do teams even hire gms/scouts when they can just look online. Why have a draft? lets just rank them and hand them out accordingly.

its kinda annoying when two seconds after the trade the players are getting ripped for being nobodies. especially when one is the best d-man on his AHL team at 22
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I haven't read through the thead, but you say that like Rattie was on the table and Feaster and Co selected the other guys. Is that actually the case, or are you just saying you prefer Rattie. If so, then maybe Feaster would have also preferd Rattie as well, but the Blues simply weren't willing to give him up for J-Bouw.
If Rattie wasn't on the table, Feaster should have put him on the table. The 1st is great, but you're assuming that Cundari / Berra were the only prospects available. Like Pittsburgh, I choose to believe that Feaster and his scouts saw something in these two prospects that most others haven't... and that doesn't make them smart in doing so.

Plus, why do we need ANOTHER goalie prospect? We already have Irving / Taylor / Ortio / Gillies / Ramo / Brossoit. Now Berra? Was that really necessary?

You can believe what you want dude, you're entiltled to that... but given Feaster's previous trading history, I believe that didn't get the return he could have simply because he's not that good of a negotiator.
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We're trading guys with NTCs, people keep forgetting this.
NTC's and overpaid
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I would have liked Ty Rattie, but whatever. I kind of question the Blues wanting Jaybo. Isn't Hitch just like Sutter in terms of how his d play? Jaybo needs to play on a defence activated offense.
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Giordano was undrafted, however I would still give him up for a chance at watching Knyazev or Krajicek play for the Flames! Both first round picks in 2001!

(Both defencemen, but apparently Gio would have been eligible for the 2002 draft, oh well. Point made.)

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why do teams even hire gms/scouts when they can just look online. Why have a draft? lets just rank them and hand them out accordingly.

its kinda annoying when two seconds after the trade the players are getting ripped for being nobodies. especially when one is the best d-man on his AHL team at 22
So nobody is allowed to have opinions on deals anymore unless they are an NHL about/GM?

And it isn't like it is only posters on here ripping the deals.
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Like after next season. Watch. He was the best goalie in the NCAA this season, as a freshman.
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