[Trade] Bouwmeester to Blues for conditional 2013 1st, Cundari and goaltender Reto Berra

[Muta]

Despite his shaky potential, I'd rather have Rattie than both of Cundari and Berra.

It seems to me that that Feaster and Co. think they're smarter than everybody else when it comes to prospects. I really don't think that's the smartest strategy.

I'm legitimately scared to see how much Feaster is going to throw away by Wednesday.

[Yamer]

Apart from the suicidal and "holier than thou idiots" posts, I remember why I read this board. Thoughtful insight and differing perspectives have grounded my opinion a bit. I still don't like the returns on either trade, but as has been mentioned the Flames are FINALLY starting to change the culture of that room. They will have money to spend, picks to play with, and 2 more days and a whole summer to make changes now that they have FINALLY seen the writing on the wall.

After years and years of the same, we now get to see the long-awaited change that is so desperately needed.

[getoverit]

Knowing Feaster we will probably trade down pics when he should be trading up. Have no faith he will put these picks to good use. Scary time now being a flames fan

[Jing]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

Currently only 2 teams have more than one first round pick. The last time a team not named Calgary traded for a first rounder was Columbus in the summer for Rick Nash.

Maybe this draft truly is as deep as some have said, and these 1st rounders are being valued as such.

...or maybe we just have an incompetent GM. Guess we'll see.

I agree, this draft is looked at as a pretty good draft, 1st round picks are probably valued a little more this year. Has anyone else acquired a first round pick yet other than the Flames recently?

[gonzo29]

I like the trade, the pick has a strong chance of being in the 15-20 range. Can't really ask for more when you're dumping almost 7 million on a team with the cap dropping substantially next season.

[$ven27]

Originally Posted by Ned Braden

And a pony. And Crosby and Malkin. And a date to the Oscars with Jennifer Lawrence.

Again, anybody who thinks that teams are lining up to give up premium young talent and high draft picks for two months of a no-longer-elite forward with a NTC and a merely good defenseman with a cap hit comparable to Zdeno Chara's is completely delusional. You can argue that someone could have gotten marginally more, but the return on both deals was entirely reasonable.

Again:

Originally Posted by $ven27

All I'm saying is that if we're dealing our franchise player and #1Dman, we should be getting at least a B level prospect for both Iggy and Jay.

[CliffFletcher]

You have to think the Blues wanted the Flames to take back salary in this deal. The fact the Flames stood their ground suggests they have a plan for that cap space. Expect a serious run at Bozak and/or Clarkson.

[Ned Braden]

Originally Posted by AR_Six

Actually I kind of hate this for the Blues... particularly if they miss the playoffs. The two prospects are basically a write-off, so I'm not terribly concerned one way or another there. But JayBo's cap hit may prevent them from retaining the services of Pietrangelo (not likely they let him go) or more likely, Kevin Shattenkirk, who is simply a better player than Bouwmeester. Notwithstanding their cap situation, how much can they really afford to put into their blue line? Pietrangelo is a 6+ million dollar player and I would expect Shattenkirk is about 5. That's over 17 million into 3 defensemen. And they give up a 1st for the privilege of being in that situation.

This, I think, is a good way of putting Bouwmeester's value in perspective. You're paying elite-level money for a guy who will be the third-best defenseman on a team with 6 more points than the Flames. But, sure, any other GM would have gotten a first rounder and completely looted the other team's farm system.

[JiriHrdina]

Originally Posted by Muta

Despite his shaky potential, I'd rather have Rattie than both of Cundari and Berra.

It seems to me that that Feaster and Co. think they're smarter than everybody else when it comes to prospects. I really don't think that's the smartest strategy.

I'm legitimately scared to see how much Feaster is going to throw away by Wednesday.

I suspect if Rattie is in the first isn't.

That's the more likely trade off - not the two kids they got for Rattie.

[Flames89]

Without reading the whole thread...
I also agree that the negative reaction is questionable.
First rounder and $6.6 MM off our payroll. For a guy that has been great for 20 games after a couple (many?) years of softness -- plus 2 prospects that "don't google well". I can search on them and be unimpressed, but i have to believe Weisbrod and his guys know more than I do. Feaster? like any good CEO, he knows his limitations and hires smarter people around him. He takes the heat, but there is little chance this was his personal scouting decision.

[Anduril]

Originally Posted by Madman

What's it like working for the Flames?

Is there anything else you can tell us with the same utmost certainty?

The answers are in the room.

[Spinoff90]

Wish we would have traded with them before the lockout before Stewart started playing like he is this season and might have been available. And Rattie would have been nice to reunite with Sven but that one was wishful thinking. Shame our 1st round pick being in a deeper draft this year than next year will depend on the playoff curse helping the 9th place Blues move up into a playoff spot.

Not upset about the return like I was with the joke of a return for Iggy but that is because I couldn't care less to see J-Bo in a Flames jersey or not.

[Ark2]

I'm not really mad about this trade. While he was on the team there were a number of posters who would not admit it, but Bouwmeester was a complete disaster over the past 4 years and him scoring 6 goals this year does not change that. We were lucky to get anything for this loser. If he plays top 2 minutes then St Louis will miss the playoffs. That has been a constant throughout Bouwmeester's entire hockey career. You'd have to go back to when this guy was 14 years old to find a team that qualified for the playoffs with him on it (he was loaned to the Chicago Wolves after they made the playoffs). So, in the end, we will end up with a 2013 4th round pick, two nothing prospects, and and 2014 first rounder. Not a great return for a legitimate top pairing defenseman, but Bouwmeester has never been that for the Flames in the first place, so I can live with the return.

[Phanuthier]

Deep breath... after hoping for me, I'm feeling a bit better.

- Glad to see Bouw off the roster, tired of his soft play.
- Hope StL makes the playoffs, would be great to have 3 1st's
- warming up to Cundari after actually getting reviews, rather then not recognizing the players name and assuming it was some minor league journeyman
- warming up to Berra, cause hell, we're screwed in net next year
- open up cap space, cause who knows who might come avail this off season with the cap coming down and teams needing to shed salary

Deep breath... keep marshalling assets...

[OzSome]

Originally Posted by StrykerSteve

When did 1st round picks become worthless?

Seriously people, take a deep breath and think.

Have you been checking the Calgary Flames 1st round pick (especially late rounds) in the past few years? I am not giving up on Backlund, Sven and I cannot comment on Jankowski yet. But before Backlund's 1st pick, all our first rounder was a bust.

[Caged Great]

Originally Posted by getoverit

Knowing Feaster we will probably trade down pics when he should be trading up. Have no faith he will put these picks to good use. Scary time now being a flames fan

That would be fine in this draft. There isn't much difference from 15 to 25, and if we can get an extra 2nd in that trade it would be fine.

[Cleveland Steam Whistle]

Originally Posted by Muta

Despite his shaky potential, I'd rather have Rattie than both of Cundari and Berra.

It seems to me that that Feaster and Co. think they're smarter than everybody else when it comes to prospects. I really don't think that's the smartest strategy.

I'm legitimately scared to see how much Feaster is going to throw away by Wednesday.

I haven't read through the thead, but you say that like Rattie was on the table and Feaster and Co selected the other guys. Is that actually the case, or are you just saying you prefer Rattie. If so, then maybe Feaster would have also preferd Rattie as well, but the Blues simply weren't willing to give him up for J-Bouw.

Also, who are these other people that Feaster and co, think they are smarter than. Other GM's and scouts, or just people on a message board?

[sekhon]

Just my thoughts:

- With not that many skilled Dmen in this years UFA class, a sellers market and combine that with Jaybo playing his best hockey since signing that contract I believe we could have gotten a higher return.

- We talk negatively about these prospects we got in the trade since most NHL'ers are drafted in the 1st, 2nd and 3rd rounds. There are the few gems and role players that get drafted later on or are undrafted but there developed strongly with patience. We don't have a good track record of doing that.

- The cap space. Everyone talking about cap relief were currently below the cap floor for next year so were gonna be signing free agents and since our GM always talks about retooling we could easily sign a dman like Wideman.

- Potential disaster. If St.Louis wins the cup next year(highly unlikely) we would get a 30th pick a undrafted 26 year old dman and a goalie not even playing in the NHL for Boumeester. Ultimately no NHL players for Jay but I guess thats the risk when rebuilding.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by sergei_makarov

I had no idea so many posters on CP followed prospects so closely to be able to judge this as a horrible trade based on the prospects coming back! I'm surprised you guys aren't working for some team in the NHL! Get to it experts!

I always find these posts funny - if people liked the prospects, no one would question how closely they are followed. But criticize them and you must be an underwearing, basement dweller

[SportsJunky]

Now, how do we turn these picks and future moves into getting both Jones and Mackinnon at the draft? This can happen Feaster. Figure it out man!