[Trade] Iginla to the Pens for Agostino, Hanowski, 2013 1st

[Azure]

Yeah, not sure where that rumor is coming from considering Sid said he never talked to Jarome at all about coming to the Penguins.

Unless someone has other information.

[Calgary4LIfe]

Smells more like something the Boston media came up with to explain how in the world Jarome decided to pick the Pens over their "Perfect" team...

[opendoor]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

Would that be tampering though?

Crosby doesn't speak for the organization, he's just a player

Yep. It says specifically in the Standard Player's Contract that a player cannot discuss his team acquiring another player's services if that player is under contract to another organization.

I mean, obviously that kind of stuff happens informally between friends, but if Crosby and Iginla discussed him joining the Penguins without the Flames' permission, that's technically tampering.

[Reign of Fire]

Nothing is gonna come of this:

even if the league talks to Crosby, it will go something like this:

League: Did you talk to Iginla before the trade?

Crosby: No.

League: Good enough for us.

[Roof-Daddy]

Hmmm.

I think the league should award the Flames with a compensatory pick in this years draft, just in case.

Say, about 31st overall? Hmmmkay?

[JazzyFlame]

Enjoyable it was, but it was hard seeing Iggy not wearing the Flaming C

[BigJim]

A little late to the party, as I was away on holidays, so I haven't had the benefit of reading all of the comments about this trade, but am aware of the reaction from Flames fans and other fans alike to the lack of return for Iginla.

My apologies if this has already been speculated upon, but is it not conceivable that the apparent low return for Iginla is because both the Flames and the Penguins know that this is just a rental for this year only and the Jerome is not likely to stick around, especially if there is no cup at the end of the line? Sorry if this is simplistic, but I can't believe that Feaster would have wanted these players, or the horrible reported Boston offer, if there was a chance that Iginla was going to sign with the team he was traded to. I would think that in that case, the return would be greater... Just seems a little odd to me, so I'm guessing this return is based upon some other information the public and fandom is not privy too.

Edit: I could also be wrong and the Flames hockey operations see something no one else does...

[fuffalo]

Originally Posted by BigJim

A little late to the party, as I was away on holidays, so I haven't had the benefit of reading all of the comments about this trade, but am aware of the reaction from Flames fans and other fans alike to the lack of return for Iginla.

My apologies if this has already been speculated upon, but is it not conceivable that the apparent low return for Iginla is because both the Flames and the Penguins know that this is just a rental for this year only and the Jerome is not likely to stick around, especially if there is no cup at the end of the line? Sorry if this is simplistic, but I can't believe that Feaster would have wanted these players, or the horrible reported Boston offer, if there was a chance that Iginla was going to sign with the team he was traded to. I would think that in that case, the return would be greater... Just seems a little odd to me, so I'm guessing this return is based upon some other information the public and fandom is not privy too.

Edit: I could also be wrong and the Flames hockey operations see something no one else does...

There is no secret deal...this IS a rental. He's not signed past this season.

[JazzyFlame]

Originally Posted by BigJim

A little late to the party, as I was away on holidays, so I haven't had the benefit of reading all of the comments about this trade, but am aware of the reaction from Flames fans and other fans alike to the lack of return for Iginla.

My apologies if this has already been speculated upon, but is it not conceivable that the apparent low return for Iginla is because both the Flames and the Penguins know that this is just a rental for this year only and the Jerome is not likely to stick around, especially if there is no cup at the end of the line? Sorry if this is simplistic, but I can't believe that Feaster would have wanted these players, or the horrible reported Boston offer, if there was a chance that Iginla was going to sign with the team he was traded to. I would think that in that case, the return would be greater... Just seems a little odd to me, so I'm guessing this return is based upon some other information the public and fandom is not privy too.

Edit: I could also be wrong and the Flames hockey operations see something no one else does...

or incompetence or the 11th hour screw job.

[Ped]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

It's kinda funny how these two aren't good prospects but their college linemates who are undrafted are highly touted UFAs teams should try to sign.

Meh.

Take every year's top 10 list of college UFAs and you might find one impact player and probably less then half of them that become NHL regulars.

Everyone pretty much agrees these guys are longshots - which is okay. It's not their fault who they were traded for.

[BigJim]

That's what I mean...it is a rental, so not sure getting more than a late round 1st should be expected, but then I'm no evaluator of talent. To be honest, a 1st and a high level prospect/roster player just seems crazy given that he is just a "rental".

As speculated, I would think Jay-Bo has the created tradability and upside for a high return.

Anyways, don't wish to reinvent or rehash all these arguments.... I suppose perhaps there could have been something else provided conditional on a cup appearance or win, but I guess to me what we got for Iginla doesn't seem out of wack for a very short term rental.

[FlamesAddiction]

Don Cherry suggested that Crosby must have called Iginla to get him to waive for Pittsburgh. I think he was just throwing it out there.

He also pointed out that in Boston, they would have expected him to be physical and in Pittsburgh, he can coast and at his age, it was likely the selling point.

[Reign of Fire]

Originally Posted by BigJim

That's what I mean...it is a rental, so not sure getting more than a late round 1st should be expected, but then I'm no evaluator of talent. To be honest, a 1st and a high level prospect/roster player just seems crazy given that he is just a "rental".

As speculated, I would think Jay-Bo has the created tradability and upside for a high return.

Anyways, don't wish to reinvent or rehash all these arguments.... I suppose perhaps there could have been something else provided conditional on a cup appearance or win, but I guess to me what we got for Iginla doesn't seem out of wack for a very short term rental.

If we got one of their high end prospects over a late 1st rd pick, and two middle tier prospects it would've been better. Quality>>>Quantity

[HighLifeMan]

Originally Posted by Reign of Fire

If we got one of their high end prospects over a late 1st rd pick, and two middle tier prospects it would've been better. Quality>>>Quantity

The majority of their high end draft picks were in fact "late 1st round picks". Despres, Harrington (2nd rounder..), Morrow, Maatta, etc...

If we land a player like Morrissey, Lazar, Klimchuk, Hartman etc... I would be very happy. They are all very good prospects who will be every bit as regarded due to the fact that they were that coveted "1st round pick". Don't mistake the value that the label of a 1st round pick can give a prospect during their junior careers.

[Ped]

Originally Posted by HighLifeMan

The majority of their high end draft picks were in fact "late 1st round picks". Despres, Harrington (2nd rounder..), Morrow, Maatta, etc...

If we land a player like Morrissey, Lazar, Klimchuk, Hartman etc... I would be very happy. They are all very good prospects who will be every bit as regarded due to the fact that they were that coveted "1st round pick". Don't mistake the value that the label of a 1st round pick can give a prospect during their junior careers.

Being a first round pick gets you some more money and a little more rope to prove to yourself.

Otherwise it means nothing. The status of Despres, Morrow et al has nothing to do with their status as first round picks; rather their status as first round picks has a lot to do with their value and the fact that they have played up to it.

What did being a 1st round pick mean for Riley Nash or Bobby Sanguinetti or Thomas Hickey? In the end not much.

[Rhettzky]

Originally Posted by Ped

Meh.

Take every year's top 10 list of college UFAs and you might find one impact player and probably less then half of them that become NHL regulars.

Everyone pretty much agrees these guys are longshots - which is okay. It's not their fault who they were traded for.

I'm not sure you can dismiss college players so easily. The number of NHLers with a college background is increasing every year. And yes, lots of them are impact players.

http://m.collegehockeyinc.com/node/14

[HighLifeMan]

Originally Posted by Ped

Being a first round pick gets you some more money and a little more rope to prove to yourself.

Otherwise it means nothing. The status of Despres, Morrow et al has nothing to do with their status as first round picks; rather their status as first round picks has a lot to do with their value and the fact that they have played up to it.

What did being a 1st round pick mean for Riley Nash or Bobby Sanguinetti or Thomas Hickey? In the end not much.

I was speaking from a fans perspective.
To the casual (and even most passionate) fans out there the label of a "1st round pick" gives a player more value and leeway as you said. You would be fooling yourself if you believed otherwise in my opinion.

Agostino has specifically enjoyed an extremely productive collegiate career yet due to the fact that he was a measly fifth round pick two years ago coming out of a high school hockey program suggests that he was a throw in to most fans.

I guarantee you that very few fans would be upset with this deal if it was Olli Maata included instead of one of Hanowski or Agostino due to draft pedigree alone. That is all I was getting at with my post.

[Ped]

Originally Posted by Rhettzky

I'm not sure you can dismiss college players so easily. The number of NHLers with a college background is increasing every year. And yes, lots of them are impact players.

http://m.collegehockeyinc.com/node/14

College or junior or European, a 5th round pick is a long shot - especially when no one in the hockey world seems to consider them top prospects, unlike say a Brendan Gallagher who was a 5th but progressed very rapidly.

And I wasn't taking a shot at college players, just responding to a post wondering why their UFA teammates were highly touted yet these guys nothing. Every year a list comes out of college of these guys and every year very few of them make it.

[FlameZilla]

Originally Posted by Rhettzky

I'm not sure you can dismiss college players so easily. The number of NHLers with a college background is increasing every year. And yes, lots of them are impact players.

http://m.collegehockeyinc.com/node/14

Historically the Flames have had a lot of success with NCAA players.

88-89 Stanley Cup champs had:

Joe Mullen (Boston College)
Joe Nieuwendyk (Cornell)
Gary Suter (Wisconsin)
Joel Otto (Bemidji)
Colin Patterson (Clarkson)

Add to that Brett Hull who we drafted from the NCAA & its obvious we had a lot of success drafting college players back then. Our very best team had a solid core of NCAA players to compliment the great CHLers & Europeans (Loob).

These days I'd say everyone would happily take a Toews, Sharp or a Quick or any of the other great NCAA players above some of the dud CHL players we drafted.

[Rhettzky]

Originally Posted by Ped

And I wasn't taking a shot at college players, just responding to a post wondering why their UFA teammates were highly touted yet these guys nothing. Every year a list comes out of college of these guys and every year very few of them make it.

You're not taking a shot at college players and then proceed to take one anyway? Where is this list? Lots of great players come from college every year. Like the article above says... it used to be a hidden crop of talent but is starting to become a more standard route to draw talent from.