[News] Bouwmeester admits Flames have approached him about trade

[Where ru Chris O'Sullivan]

Originally Posted by Hockeyboy2

You know, my first thought of trading Jay Bouwmeester would be that I would want Alex Pieterangelo as a centerpeice in return.....but then St. Louis would never trade a young talented defenceman with big upside and a high potential to reach for an older talented defenseman that has already reached his potential.

Which begs the question why would St. Louis do that? Thats right, they wouldnt.

Come to think of it, the Calgary Flames are pretty thin on defense and I am really not sure trading a 29 year old Jay Bouwmeester would help this issue.

I know there is a rather large faction that believes that by the numbers that he is not worth what he earns and he has been underwhelming.

But he eats huge minutes at a very high level against the other teams best players and is as smoothe of a skater as they come....he would be a great asset on any team, why not have him remain an asset on ours?

When you move Jarome, the idea isnt to retool, we hope we can be great next year, but its completely unlikely. Therefore, we move everyone and everything, changing the culture of the dressing room and starting new.

All of the old guard must go.

[Hockeyboy2]

Originally Posted by Where ru Chris O'Sullivan

When you move Jarome, the idea isnt to retool, we hope we can be great next year, but its completely unlikely. Therefore, we move everyone and everything, changing the culture of the dressing room and starting new.

All of the old guard must go.

Truth makes Hockeyboy2 frown...and apparently refer to himself in the third person.

I still dont think trading Bouwmeester is good asset management though at this point. Unless you trade him for a first and a bonafied forward prospect with a high ceiling and then trade Cammellerri and Tanguay to another team for a younger defense standout.

[Where ru Chris O'Sullivan]

Originally Posted by Hockeyboy2

Truth makes Hockeyboy2 frown...and apparently refer to himself in the third person.

I still dont think trading Bouwmeester is good asset management though at this point. Unless you trade him for a first and a bonafied forward prospect with a high ceiling and then trade Cammellerri and Tanguay to another team for a younger defense standout.

And most likely at the end of this scorched earth firesale, we will come out further behind, but we will truly get younger and hope that a few of the prospects brought back (expecting to receive 1-2 / player dealt). Will turn out to be good players in the future.

[Calgary4LIfe]

I don't want scorched earth myself, but Bouwmeester is a guy you definitely trade now. The assets back would be way too tempting not to.

I have no idea how deep the cuts will go, but really believe that a few players like Bouwmeester, Cammalleri (if not this year, then next) and Tanguay would greatly accelerate the rebuild. Keeping guys like Glencross, Hudler and Gio would help to shelter prospects somewhat, and provide a bit of leadership.

Trading Bouwmeester this season is almost a 'must' in my mind, especially with how many teams require defencemen, and how few sellers there currently are at the moment. Just get the most value from every trade possible without targeting specific holes, and you can make a good 'hockey trade' or two in the off-season to try and fill in the gaps as you go along.

I just hope the Flames don't make the mistake of burning it too far down, or make the mistake of making trades with the aim of getting the 'most NHL ready' players. "Accelerated Rebuilds" aren't the way to go I think as you don't usually see teams handing over high-calibre NHL ready prospects for existing players. Focus on high-upside players regardless of position for all exiting players if possible, try to squeeze out more draft picks while doing so, and make some good old fashioned hockey trades to balance out the rosters both for the AHL and the NHL, so we don't have too many prospects playing out of position and not developing well enough.

[IliketoPuck]

The night Iggy got traded I had a dream that we traded Bouwmeester for Couturier + a pick from Philly.

Before this dream, I wasn't able to sleep. Afterwards, I slept like a baby.

J-Bo to Philly, Feaster. Don't f this one up. Its Couturier + a pick, or its time to hit the bricks.

[kyuss275]

Originally Posted by IliketoPuck

The night Iggy got traded I had a dream that we traded Bouwmeester for Couturier + a pick from Philly.

Before this dream, I wasn't able to sleep. Afterwards, I slept like a baby.

J-Bo to Philly, Feaster. Don't f this one up. Its Couturier + a pick, or its time to hit the bricks.

I really don't see JBO waiving to any team that is not going to make the playoffs.

Not to mention they are not getting Couturier + a pick for him.

[topfiverecords]

Edm can have Bouwmeester for Eberle + 2013 1st.

[Johnny Rotten]

[QUOTE=puckluck2;4168521]Smid is actually pretty good, and he stands up for teammates. I'd welcome here with open arms as long as he's a throw-in.[/QUOTE

Smid's a UFA I believe.

[bubbsy]

I would easily take edmontons 1st and a prospect (hartikinen, lander tier prospect) for bouwmeester. 2 picks in the top 15 would be hype this draft.

[kyuss275]

Originally Posted by Hockeyboy2

Truth makes Hockeyboy2 frown...and apparently refer to himself in the third person.

I still dont think trading Bouwmeester is good asset management though at this point. Unless you trade him for a first and a bonafied forward prospect with a high ceiling and then trade Cammellerri and Tanguay to another team for a younger defense standout.

I don't think you can wait to trade JBO anything past this summer. I highly doubt he is going to want to re-sign with the flames. If they wait until next deadline they could get into the same situation where he only wants to go to the top 4 stanley cup contenders.

[bubbsy]

If there are playoff bubble teams willing to part with their first rounder, think u gotta do it. There seem to be some solid players in the first half of the first round.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by MolsonInBothHands

I am on the fence trading JayBo. The possible 1st and prospect is enticing, but they will likely have to overpay a UFA to fill in the minutes he would have had. How is that different from overpaying JayBo for the role he plays?

really? really? no really?

so you think

1st, prospect, overpaid guy<overpaid guy

if the Flames don't trade Jaybo I will be furious

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by bubbsy

If there are playoff bubble teams willing to part with their first rounder, think u gotta do it. There seem to be some solid players in the first half of the first round.

Jaybo might only waive for a top team though...does he really want the embarrassment of joining an 8th place team that fails in the final push

pretty sure he wants to play a playoff game and lose his record

[JayP]

Originally Posted by MolsonInBothHands

I am on the fence trading JayBo. The possible 1st and prospect is enticing, but they will likely have to overpay a UFA to fill in the minutes he would have had. How is that different from overpaying JayBo for the role he plays?

It isn't. But at least in that scenario you have the UFA filling the minutes and the prospect/pick for J bouw in our back pocket. Seems like the ideal scenario for a rebuilding team.

[timbit]

Should Bouwmeester agree to a trade, the Flames will command and likely receive a massive return. Tough to accept, but the reality is that there are no defenseman of his quality that will be available and his age is a bonus, as well as his additional contract year.

[nik-]

J-Bo really should have the second most value on this team behind Glencross, especially if we eat some salary. I really hope Feaster and King don't find a way to screw this one up.

[JayFlowmeester]

I will support JBo no matter if he stays or goes, favorite player I'm the chell.
JBo for life.

[timbit]

Originally Posted by nik-

J-Bo really should have the second most value on this team behind Glencross, especially if we eat some salary. I really hope Feaster and King don't find a way to screw this one up.

Way more value than Glencross, despite their salaries. Top pairing D are acquired at a very high cost because they are rarely available and always acquired at a premium when they are.

Glencross would be valuable, if he waived, but not nearly the same return.

[Matty81]

Personal opinion is that Bouwmeester is worth two 1sts, I think a B prospect and a 1st from Edmonton is a joke - to trade him within the division unless it's way over market when we're going over to a divisional playoff system next year would be dumb.

He's a first pairing guy who is putting up numbers and playing almost 30 minutes a night with another year under contract - value is huge. And Smid... why would Calgary even remotely have any interest in trading for UFAs at the deadline? Ask yourselves what a negotiating window with Smid is actually worth - a 4th or 5th rounder? He costs more than that because he has value for the remaining 15 games and the playoffs, which Calgary has absolutely no need of. Would be just mind bogglingly stupid for Calgary to pay market price for him at the deadline.

[schteve_d]

Is it realistic that Bouwmeester signs here at the end of next year for less money than he currently makes? A fair bit less than he currently makes. If it is realistic then you've got to look at it. We bash him now but at 4 or so million dollars he's a pretty damn good defenceman.

If not you absolutely MUST trade him now. His value only goes down from here and as already pointed out numerous time in this thread there is a market for him right now; possibly even the potential for a mild bidding war.

Oh, and just as a hint, it may not be a bad idea to get something in writing Feaster.