Ken King Interveiw w/bob McCown

[moon]

Originally Posted by Reign of Fire

^^^^^
Jim Nill out of Detroit should definitely be considered

He supposedly gets paid like a GM and has had plenty of opportunity to leave if that was what he wanted.

Would be a nice get but unlikely that he leaves a comfy job in Detroit to handle this mess.

I think if we could have got Bob Nicholson to be President a few years ago that would have been great. Not sure if he had interest and can't imagine he would now that he is about to take over IIHF but he would be a smart hockey guy to run things and bring in the right guys for hockey operations.

[djsFlames]

Who's this D-Bag on McCown right now bashing the Flames?

All I heard was HNIC. Is that Freidman? What an absolute #####. Wow. I get he disagrees with how this was handled but that way he's coming across on radio is classless and sarcastic. Way to paint us in the worst light possible. !

These haters, even "professional" ones just NEED to shut their traps.

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by moon

He supposedly gets paid like a GM and has had plenty of opportunity to leave if that was what he wanted.

Would be a nice get but unlikely that he leaves a comfy job in Detroit to handle this mess.

I think if we could have got Bob Nicholson to be President a few years ago that would have been great. Not sure if he had interest and can't imagine he would now that he is about to take over IIHF but he would be a smart hockey guy to run things and bring in the right guys for hockey operations.

Nill will never leave Detroit, he's been interviewed by a lot of organizations and he won't leave. His intention is to eventually run the Red Wings.

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by djsFlames

Who's this D-Bag on McCown right now bashing the Flames?

All I heard was HNIC. Is that Freidman? What an absolute #####. Wow. I get he disagrees with how this was handled but that way he's coming across on radio is classless and sarcastic. Way to paint us in the worst light possible. !

These haters, even "professional" ones just NEED to shut their traps.

A) freedom of the press, everyone has an opinion its irrelevant in its delivery.

B) Maybe the Flames should have handled this situation better. But they've slopped the pigs, now its time to be eaten by the hogs.

[MisterJoji]

Originally Posted by Locke

I agree, but this is a double-edged sword. The organization did good by Iginla and they have a first round pick and some goodwill to show for that.

But that first round pick is going to suck.

Now, assume they want to trade Kipper, but he only wants to move if he has a chance to win, so he'll want to be traded to a good team and maybe you get a first for him as well. Well, now the organization will have done well by Kipper and gotten a first and some goodwill out of the deal.

That first round pick is also going to suck.

Then assume they want to trade Bouwmeester. I imagine hes only going to agree to move if he's traded to a team that he likes, presumably a good team. So the organization does right by Bouwmeester and trades him to a contending team and maybe gets a first round pick and some goodwill out of the deal.

Once again, that first round pick is going to suck.

We have to start trading people to Columbus, Colorado and Florida and getting good picks.

The Flames' drafting record is abysmal, they need the help that a 'sure-thing' draft pick can provide.

Because, at the end of the day, you can hold your goodwill in one hand and start crapping in the other and see which one fills up first.

Historically yes, but you've got to admit within the last few years, they've invested a lot more time and money into scouting and development. Despite being sent back to Abbotsford, Sven is a legitimate blue chip prospect. Gaudreau has proven so far that he has been able to overcome his size issues in every league he's played. Gillies is one of, if not the best, goalie in college. Seiloff could be a solid stay at home, hard hitting D-man. Jankowski is a huge question mark, but 0.5 ppg in his 1st year college, after playing HS hockey last year, is not to be overlooked. Goalies are always the hardest to predict but LB is having
a better year than last year when be back stopped his team to the memorial cup. The cupboards are not that bare, and I'd like to see what Feaster, Weisbrod, et al can do with a few 1st round picks this year, although I'd like to see maybe a few less college picks, as I don't like having our eggs all in one basket.

[MrMastodonFarm]

Originally Posted by Reign of Fire

^^^^^
Jim Nill out of Detroit should definitely be considered

Jim Nill ain't leaving Detroit. Hell the Flames wanted him back when we hired Button... And he's still in Detroit.

[moon]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

To Moons comment, why do we need a hockey guy as the president. The hockey guy should be overseeing the entire hockey operation, that to me means sales, the building, fan experience, yes the team on the ice, public relations, budget and communication with the owners and more.

Well in my view of King moving up he would still handle the new building deal, could handle the radio and TV deals and any major sponsorship issues.

The new president could oversea the GM and the day to day running of things but would expect that Cyr can handle the ticket stuff, Hanlon the PR needs and someone else the building/game day experience without a 25 year business holding their hands. Like my example of Nicholson I think he could handle overseeing the business stuff just fine given his background.

My example also was meant to have a President different from GM.

If need be bring in a Roy Mlakar type to be the COO and oversea the business stuff.

[djsFlames]

Nvm, it must have been Rhudey.

I mean, Of Course it was Rhudey..

[moon]

Originally Posted by djsFlames

Who's this D-Bag on McCown right now bashing the Flames?

All I heard was HNIC. Is that Freidman? What an absolute #####. Wow. I get he disagrees with how this was handled but that way he's coming across on radio is classless and sarcastic. Way to paint us in the worst light possible. !

These haters, even "professional" ones just NEED to shut their traps.

Hard to imagine it is close to as bad as you make it out or that the guy is doing anything other than giving his opinion.

But I guess continue to freak out because everyone doesn't think a team that has missed the play-offs for 3 years and looks set to do it a 4th is the best run team in sports.

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by moon

Well in my view of King moving up he would still handle the new building deal, could handle the radio and TV deals and any major sponsorship issues.

The new president could oversea the GM and the day to day running of things but would expect that Cyr can handle the ticket stuff, Hanlon the PR needs and someone else the building/game day experience without a 25 year business holding their hands. Like my example of Nicholson I think he could handle overseeing the business stuff just fine given his background.

My example also was meant to have a President different from GM.

If need be bring in a Roy Mlakar type to be the COO and oversea the business stuff.

If you bring in a president who's main role is to oversea the hockey department then what's point to having a GM, we'd be in the same situation we are now.

I think there needs to be more separation between president and hockey department not less.

Either we have competent departmental management or we don't and that's what the President should be addressing globally.

One of the biggest complaints is that King has too much power over the hockey area of the team.

We should want less.

Microsoft gained success when Gates became and organizational visionary as opposed to being involved in the day to day involvement of each application.

[Yakbutter]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

Exactly.

For those defending management, have you not noticed yet that, after every transaction, we are not debating about the value of this player vs that player, we are debating the way that management handled the situation. Every time.

I came to this thread to discuss the Friedman article because I think he nailed it. But that has been well discussed already.

I'm not sure if Ken King will be gone but I think it's reasonable to assume Feaster's days are numbered. After Tampa finishing last in 2008 and the flames well on their way to a lottery pick this year it appears Feaster has run two organizations into the ground. How many GM's get to basically tank two different franchises? I can't think of any.

If you look at Feasters body of work, almost all of his moves have been failures or lateral moves. I see nothing in his record to indicate he will help the franchise. He has no answers, but he has an excuse chambered for everything "cap jail" "NMC" "players choice" ect ect,

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Yakbutter

I'm not sure if Ken King will be gone but I think it's reasonable to assume Feaster's days are numbered. After Tampa finishing last in 2008 and the flames well on their way to a lottery pick this year it appears Feaster has run two organizations into the ground. How many GM's get to basically tank two different franchises? I can't think of any.

If you look at Feasters body of work, almost all of his moves have been failures or lateral moves. I see nothing in his record to indicate he will help the franchise. He has no answers, but he has an excuse chambered for everything "cap jail" "NMC" "players choice" ect ect,

Agreed. But if King is still in the same role, I expect nothing other than another iteration of what we are seeing with Feaster

[Reign of Fire]

Originally Posted by MrMastodonFarm

Jim Nill ain't leaving Detroit. Hell the Flames wanted him back when we hired Button... And he's still in Detroit.

Isn't it cause his kids are still school, when do they graduate?

[Reign of Fire]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

Nill will never leave Detroit, he's been interviewed by a lot of organizations and he won't leave. His intention is to eventually run the Red Wings.

Considering Holland as been there for so long and they are almost the same age, maybe he needs to consider other options.

[djsFlames]

Originally Posted by moon

Hard to imagine it is close to as bad as you make it out or that the guy is doing anything other than giving his opinion.

But I guess continue to freak out because everyone doesn't think a team that has missed the play-offs for 3 years and looks set to do it a 4th is the best run team in sports.

It was Rhudey. And he made us out to be a total joke. I think even McCown at points was surprised at how brutal some of his comments were towards the Flames, though Bob thinks that Iginla essentially "screwed us".

Never heard one individual give his opinion in such a way that I wanted to knock him right out.

Why should such a person with clearly no respect for the organization have season tickets to watch its team?! He doesn't deserve to sit in the stands at the games. If he had a single scrap of decency he would give them up to some real fans, and gtfo. Not professional at all. Like really, what a piece of work.

[Flames Draft Watcher]

Originally Posted by djsFlames

Who's this D-Bag on McCown right now bashing the Flames?

All I heard was HNIC. Is that Freidman? What an absolute #####. Wow. I get he disagrees with how this was handled but that way he's coming across on radio is classless and sarcastic. Way to paint us in the worst light possible. !

These haters, even "professional" ones just NEED to shut their traps.

I think it was Glenn Healey. One of the worst analysts out there.

[kn]

Originally Posted by nik-

Why wouldn't King just shut his mouth? I'm so sick of this blowhard.

Bless your heart for your interest.

[Reign of Fire]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

Nill will never leave Detroit, he's been interviewed by a lot of organizations and he won't leave. His intention is to eventually run the Red Wings.

http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/teams/story/?i...=nhl-canadiens

according to this, it was because of illness in the family and not because he has delusions of taking over Holland's job

[l33t_hax0r]

Originally Posted by djsFlames

It was Rhudey. And he made us out to be a total joke. I think even McCown at points was surprised at how brutal some of his comments were towards the Flames, though Bob thinks that Iginla essentially "screwed us".

Can you give some examples of what Hrudey said?

[pylon]

I really think Craig Conroy would be excellent in Ken Kings role.

In fact, I think he should be considered for both president AND GM.