Ken King Interveiw w/bob McCown

[PeteLFan]

I said it in the other thread that when Iginla is traded, ken king and his puppets must go as well. It's not jaromes fault he can't end his career here, it's the incompetent management we have that has caused is to arrive to this day.

[bigtmac19]

Originally Posted by Machiavelli

That pretty much removes any respect I had for the guys at the top.

Way to try to tarnish the reputation of greatest player in franchise history. Don't blame him because you don't know how to orchestrate a trade when a player has a NMC.

Losers.

Totally agree Mach.

[LouCypher]

They were in a tight spot, I think though the real mistake was not going this route last year. Iginla's list if he could be convinced to move last year may have looked different and as he still had one year left on his contract trade value was higher. Any move this year with Iggy no matter where he went was to little to late, lets do him a favor. Maybe ok under tough circumstances but still they delayed this and fooled themselves on this one so its no surprise we had so few options.

[moon]

How is he spinning it against Iginla?

He is saying that they had a deal with Boston (that was much better and they liked better) but Iginla then said he wanted to go to Pittsburgh not Boston so they went with the Pittsburgh deal instead.

[moon]

Originally Posted by oldschoolcalgary

strongly disagree.

The fans can do something. Don't go to the games. Or try organizing one game to not go to. One game. or one period.

I said this after the lockout and I am saying it again now - the owners forget who pays their bills. And quite frankly, don't care what anyone thinks if the seats are filled.

Tickets are already paid for with a waiting list to get season tickets.

One little protest isn't likely to make much of a difference to the team.

If King himself doesn't read this board or listen to the FAN I find it hard to believe that the hockey team doesn't know that fans for the most part aren't happy.

[browna]

I have zero problem with the Iginla trade. Iginla thought and was seemingly told the Pens offer was as good as the Bruins one. The Flames preferred the Bruins one and mistakenly told the Bruins as much, and since the Bruins were on the list, they assumed it was done and done.
Iginla chose the Pens one. Pretty simple.

The Flames screwed up in again by telling the Bruins, and even worse, before the dust has settled from the goodbye presser, you have the team President throwing "the player" under a row of busses in some desperate attempt to, for some reason, placate the Boston media backlash or remove himself personally from the situation.

Disgraceful. As SCH said, he shouldn't have said anything and kept his mouth shut. Trying to pass blame,almost immediately before Jarome even left town is pathetic,

[StrykerSteve]

I love how everyone is saying how inept the Flames management are for not having something in writing, but no one is holding Chiarelli accountable to the same standard. He assumed they had a deal because they had a verbal agreement with the Flames. How is that any different than the Flames having a verbal agreement with Iginla? Jarome wanted to go to Pitt, and Calgary accommodated his request. End of story. He had a NMC, that was his right. Everyone needs to move on.

[oldschoolcalgary]

Originally Posted by flamesaresmokin

How did management think this team would compete this year? Did anyone under the sun think this team was going to be a playoff team?

Pretty scary that these guys are now in charge of addressing a rebuild and too bad this didn't start a year or two ago like many realistic fans were calling for it.

the majority of people on CP thought this was a playoff team too to be frank.

just look at the season prediction thread again.

Difference is that this is just a bunch of fans on a message board - those guys run the teams.

[Erick Estrada]

Question: What do you get when you appoint a newspaper man and lawyer to run a professional hockey team?

Answer: The Calgary Flames.

Really nobody here should expect any more from these guys as King and Feaster in their own minds probably feel they are doing their best. They are simply in way over their heads in a sea full of experienced hockey men.

[oldschoolcalgary]

Originally Posted by moon

Tickets are already paid for with a waiting list to get season tickets.

One little protest isn't likely to make much of a difference to the team.

If King himself doesn't read this board or listen to the FAN I find it hard to believe that the hockey team doesn't know that fans for the most part aren't happy.

do you really think that the organization is going to change because the "fans are unhappy"?

Dome is full, and as you say, there is a waiting list for season tickets...

I don't see any changes on the horizon.

[Rocky Raccoon]

Originally Posted by StrykerSteve

I love how everyone is saying how inept the Flames management are for not having something in writing, but no one is holding Chiarelli accountable to the same standard. He assumed they had a deal because they had a verbal agreement with the Flames. How is that any different than the Flames having a verbal agreement with Iginla? Jarome wanted to go to Pitt, and Calgary accommodated his request. End of story. He had a NMC, that was his right. Everyone needs to move on.

It's not Chiarelli's job to get anything in writing, nor can he legally. He shouldn't be held accountable for anything. If I am negotiating with a lawyer (Feaster) and the lawyer advises that a player has waived his NTC/NMC, it's not a simple assumption that it would be in writing, it should be a guarantee that the lawyer would have his ducks in a row.

[freakinsaprikin]

Originally Posted by StrykerSteve

I love how everyone is saying how inept the Flames management are for not having something in writing, but no one is holding Chiarelli accountable to the same standard. He assumed they had a deal because they had a verbal agreement with the Flames. How is that any different than the Flames having a verbal agreement with Iginla? Jarome wanted to go to Pitt, and Calgary accommodated his request. End of story. He had a NMC, that was his right. Everyone needs to move on.

I will take this a step further, the only reason there is even a story about Boston in all this is because they couldn't keep their mouth's shut to the media.

Ken King shouldn't have to explain how everything went down, that should be an internal process.

[Tinordi]

Feaster's opening press conference still ringing saying that the organization would not be following those guys up north. Yeah?

Now to point where King is pained to mention the word rebuild.

Very very little confidence this rebuild will be done properly if they can't even admit to themselves that that is indeed what needs to happen. Biggest problem is that they want to avoid it for image reasons and all three stupid comments they made about Edmonton and being competitive every year.

[IamNotKenKing]

Originally Posted by Flame Of Liberty

Just mind boggling asset management over the years, Phaneuf, Regehr, Iginla turned into Stajan, Butler and 30th overall.

Bravo.

I hope they are all proud of themselves.

That's not true.

[moon]

Originally Posted by oldschoolcalgary

do you really think that the organization is going to change because the "fans are unhappy"?

Dome is full, and as you say, there is a waiting list for season tickets...

I don't see any changes on the horizon.

Nope.

Just pointing out unless those boycotted seats are unpaid for and there isn't a waiting list that the team isn't going to be that concerned about empty, paid for seats.

I am also pointing out that I think they likely know the fans are unhappy whether there is a "protest" or not.

[IamNotKenKing]

Originally Posted by Calgary4LIfe

I had assumed that the Flames were willing to trade Jarome to whatever team he preferred as showing some kind of gratitude towards Jarome. I guess that was not their intent, and they ended screwing that part up.

I guess to judge what deal was in fact better, will have to wait for a few years. Let's see what becomes of Khokhlachev's progression as compared to what we ended up getting. Bartowski in my mind was just a 'throw in' and didn't have much upside at all, and is the kind of defencemen you can find as a UFA you can sign relatively cheap. I think Khokhlachev's upside is definitely bigger, and I was definitely intrigued by him, but not only is he short, he is also very thin. COULD bust, could become something we cry about later. Time will tell.

That is still what it was. He gave his four teams, Flames made a trade based upon those teams, then Jarome changed his mind.

[Cleveland Steam Whistle]

Originally Posted by MrMastodonFarm

Nothing unclassy using the NTC that was given to him. That's business and that's the way the world works. If my bosses want to ship me to 29 different places and I had control it would make sense to suggest places I may want to go, when the final call had to be made I would want to pick THE place I wanted to be.

Nothing unclassy about that.

I don't disagree that what Iginla did isn't necessarily un-classy, and I agree he had a NTC for a reason. But lets not kid ourselves, the mistake this organization made on this trade was likely not one of simple due diligence, remembering to actually get things in writing. The RoR situation gives people reasonable reason to think its possible, but I highly doubt it. But like someone else said, even if they tried to get it in writting, Iggy didn't have to sign it.

The mistake that was made on this trade, was the same mistake the organization has seemingly been making for at least 3 years now. Rather than make whats best for the team priority number 1, they have made keeping Iginla happy priority number 1. And made Iggy has earned that right, not for me to say, but the organization has made decisions over the last 3 years based around what one guy wanted, and based around making that players legacy the top priority.

It sounds like we have brought players in based on Iggy's desires (tangauy for example), we didn't start a rebuild because Iggy being on the team was more important and by the sounds of it he didn't want to gomso they never pressures him. All up to the past couple days, where they really let Iggy dictate this trade to its fullest. More important that Iggy leaves completely happy than anything else.

Whether it be because the org simply believes he is an icon and that's what he deserved or because the owners were simply really friendly with him, this whole teams strategy has been about Iggy right up to his last day. And because of that, there's been a lot of good faith conversations with him I'm sure, and I'm sure the Flames were hopeful and likely fully expectant that he'd be returning the favour for them as well, at least be willing to accept the best offer for the team off of his list. And if you think they are a little sour and upset they probably are. Not that it's Iggy's fault, but they are probably thinking now about how everything they've done over the past 3 years revolved around him, and at the last minute Iggy pulled out his trump card and leveraged it to the fullest. He wasn't even willing to go to a very strong team on his list if it was better for the org.

I highly doubt the issue here is the Flames don't know about getting things in writting, I think the issue is they made one guy bigger than the team, and that guy didn't exactly re-pay the favour at the end. No one to blame but themselves, but I'm sure they are upset.

[IamNotKenKing]

Originally Posted by VictoryJuice

This whole organization is actually a mess, like wow. Also show iggy some respect and call him by his name at not "the player." This whole trade was handled poorly by the flames, it should of been in writing, should be along few years for us fans.

Chiarelli did the same thing. As does the NHL league offices. It is often the term used. If this is actually upsetting you, then you need to chill a bit...

[nik-]

Originally Posted by oldschoolcalgary

do you really think that the organization is going to change because the "fans are unhappy"?

Dome is full, and as you say, there is a waiting list for season tickets...

I don't see any changes on the horizon.

They may say it's full, but look at the seats this year. There are lots of empty seats and it's going to get worse. The ownership was worried about the soft fan support, but through their neglect, they're creating it.

[trublmaker]

Originally Posted by Ark2

Here's something to consider: I live in Southern Ontario and last night I was at a bar with some friends. At one point, a guy came in wearing a Calgary Flames hat. Throughout the night, people were literally pointing and laughing at him. Not only that, but I even overheard people walk up to him and offer their condolences on how bad the trade was. I'm not sure how the hockey community views Feaster personally, but to the average fan, we are the laughingstock of the league.

So a bunch of drunken Leafs fans are the yardstick of how we measure up in the NHL...really. I'm not to worried about our reputation in Ontario.